2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Tsukasa Buddha said:
What do you think would happen in the general if Sanders won the majority of the vote, but at the convention someone else became the nominee? I can only think that would end in a disaster even if the new nominee might have polled better otherwise.
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Pretty sure we saw this in 2008, albeit under a very different circumstance: Hillary Clinton had the popular vote, Barack Obama had the most delegates. The superdelegates broke for Obama, and he went on to win the presidency with the dem voters, minus the PUMAs who turned out to be fairly unimportant, eager to see it.
 
Suddenly said:
Angry Warren is awesome. If she had this same suicide mission energy in everything and quit punching left she'd be winning. The civility and consensus building was never her lane. She needs to seek and destroy Biden and Pete with that same ruthlessness she did Bloomberg and once they are smoking craters the center is hers by default.

She can pretend Bernie doesn't exist. She's already more the consensus candidate than he is and doesn't need to waste time arguing that point. All attacking him did was alienate a lot of their shared base.
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Disagree with her treating other candidates the same as Bloomberg (although she was the clear winner of the debate). She should treat them as different, because the truth is that they *are* very different. Mayor Pete has his racial issues, but you could, in theory, just say that he was too inexperienced to run a college town effectively - still disqualifying, but not awful. Biden's also shakey on many issues, and without that excuse, but he's still "Uncle Joe", with strong ties to both the Senate, and to Obama.

Bloomberg is another matter entirely. He's a smart, efficient version of Dolt 45, which is wildly unacceptable.
 
dudalb said:
Whole debate was a disgrace. And the mods seem to egg the candidates on.
Bloomburg did poorly. Only good blow he landed was the "Amerca is not about to throw out capitalism " remark in response to Sanders "there should not be Billioniares" comment, which Bernie will have to somehow walk back if he wants to win in November.
Biden was non existent.
I have to agree that Trump won this debate.
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Remember when Rubio and Trump got into an argument about the size of Trump's penis during a primary debate? Let me know when the Democrats get that low. Until then, I think we can dispense with the Democratic debates being a "disgrace".
 
Mumbles said:
Pretty sure we saw this in 2008, albeit under a very different circumstance: Hillary Clinton had the popular vote, Barack Obama had the most delegates. The superdelegates broke for Obama, and he went on to win the presidency with the dem voters, minus the PUMAs who turned out to be fairly unimportant, eager to see it.
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That's not what I'm seeing here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

Obama came in with 51% of pledged delegates. Hillary had endorsed prior to the convention. A close race for sure, but Obama cleared it with a majority of pledged delegates. The popular vote spread was very narrow, but Obama still won that too.
 
Has anyone been running the numbers to how the various candidates are doing in scenarios where the Super Delegates break a certain way?
 
Belz... said:
This part:

Unless you're an alien who doesn't understand language, it implies that what we're saying is not genuine.
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"You're trying too hard," meaning looking for things to be offended by. And it was intended to apply to a lot of people clutching their pearls over Warren's comment.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
... It was noteworthy how she defended Klobuchar over the Mexican President snafu rather than just piling on...
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On the other hand, the defense was a lie. Klobuchar didn't just forget the name (if she ever knew it) she failed foreign relations 101: at least know something about your neighbors besides the fact they have a new president.
 
angrysoba said:
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I think Klobuchar will probably be out soon. She looked like she is trying to play the role of the "nice" candidate and is always grinning away, but then when she gets rattled she looks lightweight and her retaliations sound petty, "Are you calling me dumb?" "You tried to win an election and you loOoOost!" etc...
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I agree with this.
 
Donal said:
He jumped in and interjected himself into the conversation to say absolutely nothing....

I think he did OK, actually. no major flubs and asserted himself . But, he got almost no time. That may have been why he looked better. ...
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I guess it depends on how you react to all his claims of "I actually did it" like he was co-POTUS with Obama. VPs simply do not play that role. IOW I hear resume padding, among other things I find annoying about what Biden has to say.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
On the other hand, the defense was a lie. Klobuchar didn't just forget the name (if she ever knew it) she failed foreign relations 101: at least know something about your neighbors besides the fact they have a new president.
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It was pointed out that in the next interview she did, she demonstrated sharp knowledge of subjects inside Mexico.

Not knowing one thing one time doesn't mean they don't "at least know something."

That phrasing is a way to make "you know nothing" a little nicer sounding and harder to refute.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Has anyone been running the numbers to how the various candidates are doing in scenarios where the Super Delegates break a certain way?
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The unpredictable variable in convention scenarios is who drops out and when.

Even with good data on where supporters of each candidate will go, if we don't know when to stop a candidate's delegate growth and start adding more to others, it's hard to say.

Because if a lot of them hang in for a long time, there will be several that would have to pool together to even get to winning with superdelegate support.
 
Donal said:
Remember when Rubio and Trump got into an argument about the size of Trump's penis during a primary debate? Let me know when the Democrats get that low. Until then, I think we can dispense with the Democratic debates being a "disgrace".
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IIRC, It was the first topic addressed, at the first Republican debate.

They were very forthright about their intent to put a giant dick in the White House.
 
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dudalb said:
Sadly, I now think the election is Trump's to lose.
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Honestly, I think the only thing that could save the Democrats would be for Bernie to drop dead. Barring that, there are two realistic scenarios:

1. Bernie wins the nomination and loses badly.

2. Bernie does not win the nomination and the Bernie Bros go ballistic and the Democrats get torn apart and lose even worse.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
It was pointed out that in the next interview she did, she demonstrated sharp knowledge of subjects inside Mexico.

Not knowing one thing one time doesn't mean they don't "at least know something."

That phrasing is a way to make "you know nothing" a little nicer sounding and harder to refute.
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Here's the problem with that, an interview like the one on Telemundo is not going to be erased because a candidate brushes up the next day after they know the questions and tries to sound knowledgeable.

This was an interview on Telemundo for cripes sake! It wasn't a random question on a Sunday talk show.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Here's the problem with that, an interview like the one on Telemundo is not going to be erased because a candidate brushes up the next day after they know the questions and tries to sound knowledgeable.

This was an interview on Telemundo for cripes sake! It wasn't a random question on a Sunday talk show.
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Yep, and on Telemundo, Klobuchar and Steyer failed.

On the debate stage, Bloomberg and Klobuchar failed. Steyer, well, many people didn’t realize he wasn’t even there because they had forgotten about him.

That’s almost worse than people talking bad stuff about you; not talking about you at all.
 
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