2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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theprestige said:
What would you rather have? An incompetent buffoon, with his amateur-hour corruption, here and then gone again?

Or a legit stealth Republican with the brains and the money to actually get something done?
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If you are talking about Steyer vs Bloomberg, your post is ignorant.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The Center for American Progress, a prominent liberal think tank, removed negative references to Bloomberg in its report on Anti-Muslim bias because Bloomberg was a major donor. There were over 4000 words on the NYPD, mentioning Bloomberg by name 8 times. The entire section was removed before publication.

Money doesn't buy votes, but it does buy influence.
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Yeah, I suppose. :(
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The Center for American Progress, a prominent liberal think tank, removed negative references to Bloomberg in its report on Anti-Muslim bias because Bloomberg was a major donor. There were over 4000 words on the NYPD, mentioning Bloomberg by name 8 times. The entire section was removed before publication.

Money doesn't buy votes, but it does buy influence.
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First of all, according to Wikipedia:
CAP officials disputed (the) account, characterizing the changes as editorial decisions: detailed discussion of NYC policing was off-topic because the report had been "commissioned to examine right-wing groups targeting Muslims with explicit bigotry and conspiracy theories."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress#Michael_Bloomberg

So maybe it was done to protect Bloomberg, or maybe it was decided that it was out of focus.

Secondly, there is no evidence that Bloomberg actually knew was was going to be in the report ahead of time.

Lastly... Bloomberg was donating to a liberal think tank. And he did so years ago. Yes, Bloomberg may be "buying" his way into the Democratic primaries, but it does seem that his commitment to the political "left" is more than just a recent thing.
 
Distracted1 said:
Had you ever shopped for an individual plan for yourself before, or outside of , the "healthcare.gov" marketplaces?

As someone who has never had an employer paid for plan, I can tell you that the individual healthcare market has always sucked.
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As someone who has always been self employed (41 years) and with a pre-existing condition (diabetes) I never had health insurance until Obama care came along. I feel fortunate that Trump has been unable to take away my healthcare, at least until next year when I will turn 65 and medicare will take over.
 
Segnosaur said:
Lastly... Bloomberg was donating to a liberal think tank. And he did so years ago. Yes, Bloomberg may be "buying" his way into the Democratic primaries, but it does seem that his commitment to the political "left" is more than just a recent thing.
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I think when you reach Oligarch Tier, distinctions like "left" and "right" mean a lot less than "what do I want, who do I know, and what can they do for me?"
 
Segnosaur said:
First of all, according to Wikipedia:
CAP officials disputed (the) account, characterizing the changes as editorial decisions: detailed discussion of NYC policing was off-topic because the report had been "commissioned to examine right-wing groups targeting Muslims with explicit bigotry and conspiracy theories."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress#Michael_Bloomberg

So maybe it was done to protect Bloomberg, or maybe it was decided that it was out of focus.
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You think maybe there's some right-wing groups operating within the police maybe?

How about the effect of powerful institutions perpetuating Islamaphobia and how that reinforces right-wing groups doing so more brazenly?

Yeah, probably not relevant.

ETA: Oh, and Bloomberg was ruling as center-right at the time. So "we didn't include stuff about him because it was about right-wing types" has a sly embedded premise.

Secondly, there is no evidence that Bloomberg actually knew was was going to be in the report ahead of time.
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Seems like if I'm putting out a big report, I'd want to gather the thoughts of those I name in the report, ask for their responses, if corrections are needed, etc. Mostly its to hedge against defamation.

Lastly... Bloomberg was donating to a liberal think tank. And he did so years ago. Yes, Bloomberg may be "buying" his way into the Democratic primaries, but it does seem that his commitment to the political "left" is more than just a recent thing.
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Neoliberal think tank.

Don't let the word "progress" in the title fool you. Its by and for the "New Democrat" types to tell us that we can have a kinder, fuzzier, more feel-good imperialism and that bad policies and ideas all come from the bad people on the other side.
 
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There's also the strategy of hiring people who are smart enough to figure out what should and shouldn't be in a report commissioned by their boss, so that their boss doesn't have to know every time.
 
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I've seen a number of complaints about how Warren's coverage has effectively vanished lately... and I've been trying to be understanding about it - there's plenty going on, after all.

Now, though... we've got an NBC/WSJ poll that matches up all the notable Democratic contenders against Trump... except Warren. WTF?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Elizabeth Warren addresses the Culinary Workers Union in LV and says: The White House is a mess and “when you’ve got a mess and you really need it cleaned up, you call a woman and get the job done.”
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A fine example of trying to say something inspiring or witty and ending up with a stupid or insulting statement. And in this case, sexist.
 
Belz... said:
A fine example of trying to say something inspiring or witty and ending up with a stupid or insulting statement. And in this case, sexist.
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The really hackey campaign material really is the best part of the election cycle. These people try to be funny and charming for months on end, so the flubs are guaranteed to happen.

Not really sure they mean much, but you have to take your joy when you can.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The really hackey campaign material really is the best part of the election cycle. These people try to be funny and charming for months on end, so the flubs are guaranteed to happen.

Not really sure they mean much, but you have to take your joy when you can.
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If saying stupid things occasionally were a bar to holding office we'd all be living in anarchy. It's the frequency and context that matters. I'll take Warren's failed joke over absolutely everything Trump has ever said about the economy.

Eta: flubbing remarks can even be a positive, if done right. Both Bushes had a penchant for folksy misspeaking. I think that enhanced their approachable "real guy" images. They were wealthy elite plutocrats, after all, but managed to seem like regular people to many. That's an accomplishment. Although it's entirely possible Bush the Younger did it be accident.
 
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Interesting data point against the "moderate lane" theory.

Biden loses 17 pts in recent poll. Bernie picks up 8, Bloomberg 6. Small increases for Klob and Pete.

Combining the totals of the all the "moderate" voters and stacking that against Bernie makes an assumption that none of these voters see him as their preferred #2 candidate. This polling change would suggest otherwise.

As non-viable candidates exit the race, where their supporters end up is very much an open question.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sanders-bloomberg-rise-biden-falls-sharp-shifts-views/story?id=69049533&cid=social_twitter_abcn
 
Goodness sakes boys, as a woman I did not find Warren's cleaning house comment to be a gaffe. You're trying too hard.
 
Distracted1 said:
Why would a woman necessarily be the best person to call to fix any problem?
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Calling something a "mess" is privileging a preconceived patriarchal notion of order and imposing that notion upon the audience, disempowering them from their own individual truths of what constitutes order on a fundamentally random universe. By making this hurtful remark Warren has not only betrayed all women everywhere but also displayed appalling contempt for any religious who maintain belief in Gnostic mysticism. She must be burned as a witch before she commits further outrages.
 
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