Merged 2019-nCoV / Corona virus

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Vixen said:
SARS Covid-19 doesn't present as a cold, with runny nose and sneezing. All you get is a high fever, aches and pains and a dry cough.
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Source?

Secondly, I am pretty sure McDonalds workers wear latex gloves.
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Watch these guys when you see them. Do they contaminate those gloves while they wear them for hours on end? Do they wash their hands by wetting them and drying them off? Do they put the gloves on without contaminating them?
 
Planigale said:
The issue is slightly personal since I once got firmly told off by Maria Zambon* for suggesting that flu encephalitis was due to flu infection because that implied flu was neurotropic, as opposed to encephalitis being immune mediated.
*https://isirv.org/site/index.php/avg-committee/11-antiviral-group/165-maria-zambon
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Doesn't mean that is the same for all organs and all strains of flu, or that there aren't rare exceptions, or that the information hasn't changed with more genetic research.
 
Fever, cough and shortness of breath (dyspnea) are the classic symptoms. You have to be careful interpreting this stuff with an anal-retentive attitude.

Clinical Characteristics of 138 Hospitalized Patients With 2019 Novel Coronavirus–Infected Pneumonia in Wuhan, China
The most common symptoms at onset of illness were fever (136 [98.6%]), fatigue (96 [69.6%]), dry cough (82 [59.4%]), myalgia (48 [34.8%]), and dyspnea (43 [31.2%]). Less common symptoms were headache, dizziness, abdominal pain, diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting (Table 1). A total of 14 patients (10.1%) initially presented with diarrhea and nausea 1 to 2 days prior to development of fever and dyspnea.
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The highlighted is especially important for people who have been exposed to know.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The highlighted is especially important for people who have been exposed to know.
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That's why I've been mentioning it so often.

For those people, it's starting off like a dose of norovirus, right in the middle of the norovirus peak season. Be very easy to miss when people are expecting a respiratory disease.

I'd love to know how many people had only the gastric symptoms, which you'd think at least some people must have.
 
pipelineaudio said:
Great, I'm on a tiny overpopulated island where homeopathy and witch doctory are considered the highest forms of medicine and I have extreme IBS

I should just go suck on my car exhaust now
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Don't do that. We've had enough tragedy in this forum for the year.

We just have to stay safe until some effective antivirals and a vaccine are developed and distributed.

Alcohol based waterless hand cleaner, frequent hand washing, and social distancing should be fairly effective if you are consistent.
 
From the NYT today*:
The United States will also widen its search for possible infections: American health officials in five cities will begin testing some people with flulike symptoms for the coronavirus, according to Dr. Messonnier of the C.D.C.
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Also another story exposing the stupidity and probably explaining why there was a new batch of infected folks:
Down below, more than 1,000 crew members live and work elbow-to-elbow, preparing the passengers’ dishes and eating simple buffet-style meals together, with as many as four sharing a bathroom — and sharing the risk of possible infection from the coronavirus....

And according to employees, the infected crew members identified on Sunday had been eating in the mess hall alongside their co-workers.

It is not even clear how many people on the ship have the coronavirus because the authorities in Japan have only tested a fraction of all aboard, asserting they currently lack the resources to test them all.
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That's insane!


*I'm on anonymous view and the links can't be reposted.
 
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pipelineaudio said:
Its 25 per bathroom here...This is gonna be pretty.
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That sounds disgusting at the best of times and downright terrifying at the moment. I'd be going bush.

pipelineaudio said:
We had a Japanese tourist who just left here showing symptoms back at his place now
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That's one of several cases that's starting to give the impression that the virus is already out of hand, but hasn't been figured out yet.

Another is an 82 yo South Korean man who hasn't been to China.

It seems to me it's out there multiplying, but it's only being picked up when it hits someone in their 80s, or other person who cops a severe dose. It certainly appears most of the cases circulating are pretty mild.

Imperial College originally proposed an infection rate where only 1/100 infections is showing enough symptoms to be tested. That seems to fit what I'm seeing.
 
The Atheist said:
Imperial College originally proposed an infection rate where only 1/100 infections is showing enough symptoms to be tested. That seems to fit what I'm seeing.
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As in most people just croaked and no symptoms? Or most were so mild that they never suspected corona virus and ended up OK?
 
pipelineaudio said:
As in most people just croaked and no symptoms? Or most were so mild that they never suspected corona virus and ended up OK?
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I thought mild was the clue, but yes, people feeling a bit off-colour and not even going to the doctor. We know that's happening with some of the people diagnosed and who have completely recovered. They aren't going to be a rarity.

Meanwhile China's claiming the outbreak is under control, with a drop in new cases every day for three days in a row: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51519055

I do think the jury is still firmly out, though.
 
I went to see my GP last week. There was a sign on the door saying that if anyone with a virus has returned from travel to China recently they were not to enter the surgery but to run a specified phone number and wait outside.
 
a_unique_person said:
I went to see my GP last week. There was a sign on the door saying that if anyone with a virus has returned from travel to China recently they were not to enter the surgery but to run a specified phone number and wait outside.
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I don't know what our doctors' surgeries are saying, but the number of public announcements in NZ to date is zero.
 
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