Merged 2019-nCoV / Corona virus

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Vixen said:
SARS Covid-19 doesn't present as a cold, with runny nose and sneezing. All you get is a high fever, aches and pains and a dry cough.



Secondly, I am pretty sure McDonalds workers wear latex gloves.



However, you are right to be wary of public places. I joined a gym just before this time last year in London. It was very popular and within two weeks I went down with a horrible cold/flu, which I know was due to unclean gym equipment (=lots of people having gripped the treadmills and bikes, etc). You just know. After that, I transferred to a brand new gym and all was well.
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As usual you are wrong, the staff giving the orders out don't wear gloves.
 
Planigale said:
I am sorry you seem to be missing the point I am making.

This stuff about flu replication in organs such as the spleen brain etc. is a long time issue in virology. There are very strong views on it. People post these papers because it is controversial.

As I said I was imprecise in saying respiratory tract, being slightly too simplistic for a lay audience, and a better term would be mucosa which would have covered all options even rare ones. I accept that the conjunctiva can be directly infected, and there may be rare cases when particularly avian viruses infect the human GI tract, but you are missing the point I was really making in trying to nitpick the details.
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Or you could have said the rare exception that proves the rule.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So you take it back. Got it.

This is what you said:No, I don't have to understand, because you're wrong.
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This is a paper on the pathology of influenza.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X08009468?via=ihub
It explains how some (few) people have isolated flu virus from internal organs of humans dying of human flu, but others despite looking hard have failed to do so. This remains a controversial area in which people take sides. Even the existence of viable virus in blood is controversial, if this were the case to any extent then one would be taking enhanced precautions around blood testing, particularly near patient testing in people with flu. To what extent is the viral RNA found a product of dying and the leakage of viruses from the airways into blood and deposition in a perimortem period?

The behaviour of non human flu viruses and influenza in non human hosts is a different issue.
 
rjh01 said:
I find it very odd that there have not been many cases where a person has caught the virus despite not being on a cruise ship or been in China. Maybe those that are likely to travel from China are also the ones least likely to have the virus. Like students are generally young and healthy so they may be able to get rid of the virus easily if they get it. And they are the ones who want to come to Australia (and elsewhere), rather than retirees.
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It's why I keep complaining the maths looks broken. Given the delay in symptoms after infections, and being infectious while asymptomatic, the numbers just don't add up. I have to wonder about the foecal/oral route of transmission.

If it is that, look out when it busts out in India!

Darat said:
Chinese tourists have now pretty much disappeared from Windsor, tourist based business are suffering economically, another knock on that people on the whole haven't thought about.
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It's really starting to bite here, and no doubt everywhere that's happy to take the renminbi until someone gets sick. Our tourism industry body reckons it will cost at least $500M.

The supply chain is now starting to falter, and the economic fallout will go on for some time, and it'll spread, just like the virus itself.

Planigale said:
This is a paper on the pathology of influenza.
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Fascinating and enlightening discussion, but aren't we on Covid-19 here?
 
The Atheist said:
It's why I keep complaining the maths looks broken. Given the delay in symptoms after infections, and being infectious while asymptomatic, the numbers just don't add up. I have to wonder about the foecal/oral route of transmission.

If it is that, look out when it busts out in India!



It's really starting to bite here, and no doubt everywhere that's happy to take the renminbi until someone gets sick. Our tourism industry body reckons it will cost at least $500M.

The supply chain is now starting to falter, and the economic fallout will go on for some time, and it'll spread, just like the virus itself.



Fascinating and enlightening discussion, but aren't we on Covid-19 here?
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What I worry about is the raw ingredients for many drugs are made in China, and we may start seeing shortages of pharmaceuticals especially antibiotics if China is more widely affected.
 
Darat said:
Since I didn't make that claim I could hardly be wrong...
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You said: 'About 2 weeks ago I had what I think was a bad cold'.

Runny or stuffy nose.
Sore throat.
Cough.
Congestion.
Slight body aches or a mild headache.
Sneezing.
Low-grade fever.
Generally feeling unwell (malaise)
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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/common-cold/symptoms-causes/syc-20351605

I pointed out that Covid-19 does NOT present as a cold. The symptoms are: fever, aches, dry cough.

BTW One wouldn't expect the people taking orders to handle food as they have handled money.
 
The plastic gloves worn by food handlers/cashiers are not very useful, especially as typically employed.

Usually they are not changed often, if at all, during a shift. This is particularly senseless if the same person is handling the money and the food. Taking money from a customer, count it, handing back change, and then using the same (now contaminated) gloves to handle the food is useless in terms of protection.

One way in practice to make it work is for two different people to handle the money versus the food. The latter should wear gloves but always be alert to not contaminate the gloves: the food handler can't scratch their face, rub their hair, etc. and if they do then they must change the gloves for a new pair.

The person handling the money can wear gloves too, if they wish, but this will not protect the customers (or them as a matter of fact) unless they change the gloves every customer, which simply is not going to happen.

If a cashier doesn't actually need to touch the food (i.e. they just dispense it) they can use a disposable grab (a small sheet of wax paper for example) to transfer a food item from a display case, etc. to a bag. Bakers often do this.
 
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So far I think I've only heard the virus referred to as "Covid-19" only a time or two. Everything else is about "The Coronavirus". Or better yet, "The Corona Virus".
 
alfaniner said:
So far I think I've only heard the virus referred to as "Covid-19" only a time or two. Everything else is about "The Coronavirus". Or better yet, "The Corona Virus".
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It’s SARS-COV-2 subject to ratification. The disease is COVID-19.


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Vixen said:
You said: 'About 2 weeks ago I had what I think was a bad cold'.



https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/common-cold/symptoms-causes/syc-20351605



I pointed out that Covid-19 does NOT present as a cold. The symptoms are: fever, aches, dry cough.



BTW One wouldn't expect the people taking orders to handle food as they have handled money.
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Which of course is still not what posted.

And despite your expectations you are wrong regarding the staff I mentioned at McDonald's.
 
Giordano said:
The plastic gloves worn by food handlers/cashiers are not very useful, especially as typically employed.

Usually they are not changed often, if at all, during a shift. This is particularly senseless if the same person is handling the money and the food. Taking money from a customer, count it, handing back change, and then using the same (now contaminated) gloves to handle the food is useless in terms of protection.

One way in practice to make it work is for two different people to handle the money versus the food. The latter should wear gloves but always be alert to not contaminate the gloves: the food handler can't scratch their face, rub their hair, etc. and if they do then they must change the gloves for a new pair.

The person handling the money can wear gloves too, if they wish, but this will not protect the customers (or them as a matter of fact) unless they change the gloves every customer, which simply is not going to happen.

If a cashier doesn't actually need to touch the food (i.e. they just dispense it) they can use a disposable grab (a small sheet of wax paper for example) to transfer a food item from a display case, etc. to a bag. Bakers often do this.
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In the UK, the people who get the drinks, take the orders, use the tills, put the prepared food into bags or onto trays, drop in the sauces and any other condiments you request, put a napkin in the bag and hand straws out do not wear gloves.
 
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