Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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SezMe said:
ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Taking that approach has you funding religion in just a few short steps. Bye, bye First Amendment.
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I'm not talking about everything in the whole ******* world. I'm talking about the very difficult problem of helping sex trafficked women get out and this single group that has had some success.

I think the 12 step programs suck because they rely on finding Jesus. But if they are helping some alcoholics, you have to keep that in mind.


Back to the Hookers for Jesus, from what I see of them, if the have an anti-gay agenda at all, it's not a focus of the group. This is the first I've heard they even professed a homophobic POV.


I think this is enough about the subject in the Trump thread though. It is legit given his administration allowed the grant. But how far into this subject do we need to go?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What humor? I was serious. I don't care if anyone else wasn't. But I also don't know what humor you are referring to.
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Well then we're still back to there being nothing respectable about a group of con artists siphoning up public funds that could go to more reputable people doing the same work and without all the proselytizing and disturbingly invasive control over what kind of medical information is deemed appropriate.

No, a religion that pushes the idea that the things these women had to do to survive were "sinful" and that since god will "never test you beyond your ability to forebear" is the absolute last place to start with, well probably any group, but anything in the trauma/sexual violence area for sure.

This group's MO make them absolutely fair game for chucking peanuts at.

Really any time the church has anything to say about sexual attitudes and morality, that's a laugh.

They want to weasel their voodoo ******** into actual social service programs and play dirty games to do it? Welcome to "being a part of the discussion about social programs and public funding of them."

From The Wire, Levy (drug cartel lawyer) tells Orlando (formerly squeaky-clean front man in jail):

"You wanted in the game. Now you're in the game."
 
Delphic Oracle said:
No, a religion that pushes the idea that the things these women had to do to survive were "sinful" and that since god will "never test you beyond your ability to forebear" is the absolute last place to start with, well probably any group, but anything in the trauma/sexual violence area for sure.
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That's why no one ever commits suicide.
 
Minoosh said:
Is that related to covfefe?
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To give a serious answer, no, though I can see how you might make a connection. Kayfabe expresses a concept/behavior. Covfefe is just a mildly amusing Trump accident - coverage is probably what was intended to be there - and thus doesn't really have a meaning.

Minoosh said:
The first sentence is splitting hairs and the second is just wrong.
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Maybe and feel free to make your case.

Skeptic Ginger said:
You guys might be wrong about the Hookers for Jesus group. They are actually getting women out of sex trafficking and abusive situations the women can't get out of on their own.
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Just in case you're including me, I think I'll point out that the complaints in what I quoted and what I said related to Hookers for Jesus do not include any suggestion that they aren't getting women out of sex trafficking and abusive situations. The other one, on the other hand...

Segnosaur said:
Even if they have been able to get women out of dangerous situations... If the money wasn't going to the Hookers for Jesus group, the money wouldn't necessarily have been lost... it would have gone to other groups dealing with sex trafficking. (The difference is, those other groups would not have had an anti-homosexual agenda.)
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Going further, that it was chosen over notably better rated options is problematic in and of itself, even moreso when it just "happens" to be pushing religious beliefs aligned with Barr's. Barr's already made it perfectly clear that he's happy to use government resources to push his religion and this sure looks like yet another instance of such - and a particularly large one.

JoeMorgue said:
Yeah right. Just like the DOJ was totally going to recommend that sentence for Roger Stone until Trump told them not to.

I expect a retraction hidden as a clarification any minute.
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Honestly, given Barr, I'd been feeling that it wouldn't have surprised me if he took initiative on the matter. Indeed, it looks like there's news on that front.

How far is Attorney General William Barr willing to go in showing that he considers loyalty to Donald Trump more important than any pretense of delivering impartial law? At least as far as St. Louis. Because that’s where Barr went to hire one of a team of prosecutors whom he has charged with ripping into cases built by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, D. C.

As The New York Times reports, this outside team of attorneys has spent the last two weeks “grilling line prosecutors” about cases. But not just any cases: those cases special to Trump. That includes looking at every step of the investigation, prosecution, and sentencing. And that review is looking not just at how these cases were handled, but also at who was involved at every step. Because finding scapegoats is definitely part of the agenda.

Seen in this light, the resignation of the four prosecutors on the Roger Stone case wasn’t a snap response to a single instance of Barr overruling their decisions. It was the endgame following weeks in which the entire U.S. attorney’s office in Washington was subject to badgering from a team of hand-selected political hit men, brought in to second-guess every action and undermine each decision.
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So... yeah. What Trump did just drew even more attention to Barr's wildly problematic attempts to undermine the DoJ in service to Trump. I have no problem with believing that Barr actually was being completely serious about Trump's tweets making his job nearly impossible. After all, loudly shouting about the problems that he's trying to make go away quietly does make it harder for him to make them go away quietly.

In other news...

‘Serious economic conditions’ demand cut to planned federal worker raise, Trump says

Right before he claims that the economy is amazing elsewhere.

Trump's sabotaging and attempting to sabotage the government. Constantly and in plain sight.

In a bit of good news, though...

North Dakota GOP settles voter ID lawsuits in a major victory for Native American voting rights

It's good to see the GOP lose any of it's really blatant ways to try to suppress the vote.
 
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Aridas said:
Mmm. I rather think that it's wrong to call what happened an "acquittal." An acquittal means that the person was judged "not guilty." Trump was judged "guilty, but not bad enough to remove.
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He was judged not guilty. Those are the words John Roberts used. A "not guilty" verdict in a trial is an aquittal. A majority of senators voted not guilty. I don't understand what's supporting your claim.

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[URL="https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/14/1919202/-North-Dakota-GOP-settles-voter-ID-lawsuits-in-a-major-victory-for-Native-American-voting-rights"]North Dakota GOP settles voter ID lawsuits in a major victory for Native American voting rights

It's good to see the GOP lose any of it's really blatant ways to try to suppress the vote.
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That is good news. It's ************ to make it harder to vote but they were making it impossible.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Well then we're still back to there being nothing respectable about a group of con artists siphoning up public funds that could go to more reputable people doing the same work and without all the proselytizing and disturbingly invasive control over what kind of medical information is deemed appropriate.
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Where is your evidence of this? And who are these people who've been just as or more successful?
 
Minoosh said:
He was judged not guilty. Those are the words John Roberts used. A "not guilty" verdict in a trial is an aquittal. A majority of senators voted not guilty. I don't understand what's supporting your claim.
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How about the actual words of those who voted not to remove Trump, for starters?

Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Marco Rubio (R- Fla.) were the first out of the block to explain that the president is guilty but shouldn’t be ousted for it.

In a statement, Rubio explained that he always worked from the assumption the charges were true, but: “Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.”

Alexander was even more emphatic. In his statement, he said the House managers “have proved [the charges] with what they call a ‘mountain of overwhelming evidence.’” In an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Alexander dismissed the need for more witnesses. “If you have eight witnesses who say someone left the scene of an accident, why do you need nine? I mean, the question for me was: Do I need more evidence to conclude that the president did what he did? And I concluded no.”

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) agreed with Alexander’s position, telling reporters that he speaks for “lots and lots of us.”
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There were several others, as well. Going a bit further, it's worth noting, again, that impeachment is about whether a person should be removed or not, not about whether they're guilty of any criminal offense, as the quoted senators pointedly highlighted with their words. That would be a matter for a criminal trial.

Minoosh said:
That is good news. It's ************ to make it harder to vote but they were making it impossible.
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Technically, not impossible, or it would have been struck down pretty much immediately. It was just one of their many recent gambits to make things as difficult (and expensive) for a group that they wanted not to vote as they thought they could get away with. The backlash to it actually motivated the group in question to vote more, incidentally, much like the removal of the one voting place in Dodge City from the city under obviously false justification motivated those people to vote at a higher rate than they likely would have otherwise.
 
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The Republican line is that Trump is guilty of everything he got charged with in the Impeachment. Hence there was no need for witnesses, since the guilt was stipulated.

They just said that said offenses didn't rise to the level of Conviction given that elections are going to be held later this year.

The GOP Senators didn't call him not guilty, they decided to leave the decision to the voters.

That is what they were saying, anyway.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The Republican line is that Trump is guilty of everything he got charged with in the Impeachment. Hence there was no need for witnesses, since the guilt was stipulated.

They just said that said offenses didn't rise to the level of Conviction given that elections are going to be held later this year.

The GOP Senators didn't call him not guilty, they decided to leave the decision to the voters.

That is what they were saying, anyway.
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And your sig helps to highlight how utterly full of BS most of them are.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The Republican line is that Trump is guilty of everything he got charged with in the Impeachment. Hence there was no need for witnesses, since the guilt was stipulated.

They just said that said offenses didn't rise to the level of Conviction given that elections are going to be held later this year.

The GOP Senators didn't call him not guilty, they decided to leave the decision to the voters.

That is what they were saying, anyway.
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And that is what Democrats said, only they said he had to be removed since he is going to allow hacking of this new election as well. So the election will man nothing.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
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.....biggest test of his presidency emboldened, ready to claim exoneration, and take his case of grievance, persecution and resentment to the campaign trail.” Peter Baker
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The impeachment may not have been a fatal blow. The aftermath might be. Trump's approval rating is down in the 40-42 rating. He's dropped after he started going all extra special unhinged post acquittal.
 
Minoosh said:
I think he always has. Or emperor.
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And, unfortunately, he's hardly the only one. When it's a Democrat in office, the President is a public servant. When it's a Republican, it's a king. That's if you go by right-wing media treatment.

Either way, this particular mob boss aspirant is bad news for the country.
 
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