Jeremy Bamber

Metullus said:
Not really. The way it generally works is this:

1. Presumed Innocent.
2. Tried and convicted.
3. No longer presumed innocent.
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As for 3, No longer presumed innocent.

This says nothing about facts, but a lot about belief and opinion. In the case of Bamber Anne Eaton is believed to have planted evidence. We know she got Bamber's house, and should undoubtedly be arrested as JB is currently advocating.
 
Samson said:
As for 3, No longer presumed innocent.

This says nothing about facts, but a lot about belief and opinion. In the case of Bamber Anne Eaton is believed to have planted evidence. We know she got Bamber's house, and should undoubtedly be arrested as JB is currently advocating.
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Your position is a great example of "belief and opinion".
 
Metullus said:
Your position is a great example of "belief and opinion".
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Research is king of the castle.
I have read all case material and Carol Ann Lee’s book.
It is more certain Jeremy Bamber is innocent than gravity makes an egg break on the ceiling.
 
Even the drama "White House Farm", that is sympathetic to the prosecution, makes it clear that there was nowhere near sufficient credible evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

The failures in evidence gathering, the credible exculpatory evidence and alternative explanation and the failure to disclose evidence are all reasons why Bamber's conviction is unsafe.

We should all be worried about a CJ system that will convict in such circumstances. The problem is that too many people think it will never happen to them or one they care for, so there is not the will to change.
 
Samson said:
As for 3, No longer presumed innocent.

This says nothing about facts, but a lot about belief and opinion.
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Sigh. No. The mass murdering Bamber was convicted based on facts and evidence.
A tiny group of people don't accept these facts.

Samson said:
In the case of Bamber Anne Eaton is believed to have planted evidence. We know she got Bamber's house, and should undoubtedly be arrested as JB is currently advocating.
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Bollocks. Bamber may fool a few gullible people but that doesn't mean his drivel has any credence.
 
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It's not the strongest of cases, but I think there's no reasonable alternative to considering Bamber guilty.
 
eerok said:
It's not the strongest of cases, but I think there's no reasonable alternative to considering Bamber guilty.
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Which simply means you haven't read competing reconstructions.

One works the other doesn't.
 
Samson said:
Which simply means you haven't read competing reconstructions.

One works the other doesn't.
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I've read this thread as well as other things, and I don't accept your narrative as plausible. I don't think Sheila could've done these murders. I think Jeremy most likely did.
 
catsmate said:
I am. That ended with the entirety appropriate conviction of that mass murdering sociopath.
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... hence...

The Common Potato said:
Nicely circular.
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catsmate said:
Oh good grief.
No. Just no. Try and produce a coherent argument.
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The investigation was slapdash and the conviction didn't pass he beyond reasonable doubt test. PACE '84 came in not too long before the investigations and I don't think it's stretching things too much to assume that some police officers were still wedded to older methods.

This in not an argument, just an opinion.
 
With these guys firghting his corner I cant see Jeremy getting out anytime soon:

it seems very likely that Sheila was unconscious in the kitchen when the police broke into the house and they left her unattended. She then regained consciousness and went upstairs to the master bedroom where she shot herself and died.
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WTF!

The police then drafted in large numbers of officers for police training exercises where they used Sheila Caffell to practice taking the gun on and off of her body. This is shown in the photographs. This is the secret Essex police have tried to hide for 26 years in the name of British Justice.
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https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/alibis-1
 
catsmate said:
Sigh. No. The mass murdering Bamber was convicted based on facts and evidence.
A tiny group of people don't accept these facts.


Bollocks. Bamber may fool a few gullible people but that doesn't mean his drivel has any credence.
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Do you accept the Bamber camp claim that there is evidence that was not disclosed at the time of the original trial?
 
eerok said:
I've read this thread as well as other things, and I don't accept your narrative as plausible. I don't think Sheila could've done these murders. I think Jeremy most likely did.
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That is simply an argument from incredulity. The evidence suggests she shot herself when surrounded, which is not dissimilar to the Bain case.
For some odd reason people seem more comfortable shooting others than themselves, and in these two similar cases the evidence shows it was at the last minute. The discomfort of shooting oneself becomes outweighed by the anticipation of the opprobrium imminent in explaining to the world killing ones own children.

Robin Bain killed his family then some hours later himself, and Sheila Caffel did the same thing (a few years earlier).

There is no doubt in either case.
 
Azrael 5 said:
With these guys firghting his corner I cant see Jeremy getting out anytime soon:



WTF!



https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/alibis-1
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This is very suspect;

"Message Log (7:37am)
“One dead male and one dead female in Kitchen”

Message Log (7:40am)
“The police entered the premises and found 1 male dead and 1 female dead.”

We also see at 8:10am on the same log, that the police found a further three bodies upstairs. This clearly contradicts the official line that they found one male downstairs and a further four bodies upstairs."
 
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