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quadraginta said:
Does this mean that they are going to consider the asymptomatic cases as non-contagious? I'm not sure that's a good idea. If someone tests positive for the virus without having symptoms, why should that mean they can't infect other people?
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No, of course not. This is 'numbers department'. It has no relation to what's actually going on in the hospitals.

Reminds me of this joke: I've checked x-ray of your hand, and surely, there's a crack in that bone. But don't worry, I've already fixed it in Photoshop.
 
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Dr.Sid said:
I doubt they are keeping people with no symptoms, when they have no beds for serious cases.
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Do they have to keep them in the hospitals to quarantine them?

That's kinda where I'm going with this. They can declare them not infected even though they test positive because they are asymptomatic.

Okay, what next? Is the assumption made that they are therefore also not potential carriers? And they just let them walk, with no restrictions?

Is some effort made to restrict their movements and contact with other people until some further period of time elapses? We're talking about China, right? They could just pen them up somewhere, and wait a few weeks to be sure.

Do we even know for certain how long someone is able to transmit the virus?
 
quadraginta said:
Do they have to keep them in the hospitals to quarantine them?

That's kinda where I'm going with this. They can declare them not infected even though they test positive because they are asymptomatic.

Okay, what next? Is the assumption made that they are therefore also not potential carriers? And they just let them walk, with no restrictions?

Is some effort made to restrict their movements and contact with other people until some further period of time elapses? We're talking about China, right? They could just pen them up somewhere, and wait a few weeks to be sure.

Do we even know for certain how long someone is able to transmit the virus?
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I've lost track here: are we discussing China? If a person tests positive anywhere in the world, including China, they are considered infected (there is probably some rate of false positive but retesting is a luxury not being performed in many places: one positive test and you are stamped infected). If you are considered infected you are considered infectious (at least at some point in your disease progression).

Okay, a person in China tests positive and is considered infected and infectious. What then? My understanding is that the demand on the medical facilities is so overwhelmed in China that many of these people are told to quarantine themselves at home if they are not so very seriously ill that they absolutely need to go the the hospital.
 
angrysoba said:
I've been hearing on the news that the company that runs the Diamond Princess wants to pay everyone back double what they paid to begin with, as well as all expenses that might be needed to get back home.



Could be PR, but I wonder also if they are trying to arrange an agreement whereby the passengers promise not to sue them for allowing the spread to occur in the first place.
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IIRC they stopped at Hong Kong instead of bypassing it.
 
Contacts without positive tests or symptoms are commonly quarantined under these circumstances.

I'm waiting for more information before commenting on China changing their case definition.
 
Giordano said:
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Okay, a person in China tests positive and is considered infected and infectious. What then? My understanding is that the demand on the medical facilities is so overwhelmed in China that many of these people are told to quarantine themselves at home if they are not so very seriously ill that they absolutely need to go the the hospital.
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I was responding to Carlosy's post upthread, where it was reported that China will no longer consider people who test positive but are asymptomatic as infected.
 
dudalb said:
A lot of the time ,that is how quarantines work.....
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Well yeah, but not all quarantines are created equal. Someone who may have been in contact with an infected person would have one set of restrictions until they are deemed no longer a risk.

Someone who has gotten sick from the disease would have different ones.

These are people who have tested positive for the virus, but for some reason are no longer considered "infected", merely because they are not exhibiting symptoms.

I'm trying to figure out what the difference is, and how these positive-but-not-infected people are going to be handled.
 
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dudalb said:
A lot of the major newsite forums on this topic have a number of sound alike rants about how bad it is to dare to criticise the Chinese Government over this.
So Beijing is taking a page from Putin's book and using Internet shills bigtime?
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Not read a one like that, links to these "lots"?
 
At least the shipload of patients will give us some greatmstats. How many have needed to be hospitalized? vs mild cases or totally asymptomatic? or deaths?
 
casebro said:
At least the shipload of patients will give us some greatmstats. How many have needed to be hospitalized? vs mild cases or totally asymptomatic? or deaths?
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Good contact tracing would also do a lot to pin down the route of transmission and period of communicability.

I wonder if the cruise line wants to know or fears that might implicate some fault of theirs somewhere.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Good contact tracing would also do a lot to pin down the route of transmission and period of communicability.

I wonder if the cruise line wants to know or fears that might implicate some fault of theirs somewhere.
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Stopping in Hong Kong. IIRC they picked up a passenger there who infected everyone who was on the bus that took him to the ship.
 
a_unique_person said:
Stopping in Hong Kong. IIRC they picked up a passenger there who infected everyone who was on the bus that took him to the ship.
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OK, do we know that? I've not seen anything about that. If true, was it every single person on the bus? Did they all touch the same hand rails. Was it only people who had face to face contact with the index case. Was the index case coughing.

And what about the latest batch of cases? They weren't on that bus were they? Are their cabins all in a row on the same ventilation circuit of one of the initial infectees? Did they share a dinner table? All eat from the salad bar?
 
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India, echoes of SARS days:

Times of India: Test result of first nCoV positive case comes out negative
THRISSUR: The latest test result of the woman medical student, who arrived here from China's Wuhan region and was the first positive case from India for the novel Coronavirus (nCoV), has come out negative, health officials said on Monday.
Her condition was "stable", they said.
According to the state health department as of now, 34 people are in isolation wards across various hospitals in the state.
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They also mentioned the negative test was a blood test. I have not heard there was a blood test.
"The blood test result of the first patient from Thrissur, from the National Institute of Virology (NIV) testing centre at Alappuzha, shows a negative result. But we need confirmation from the NIV at Pune," a senior medical officer told PTI...
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With SARS there were a lot of mixed messages like these in the news accounts. People were in isolation wondering why and in other cases witnesses reported no screening at airports while the government said all airport passengers were being screened.

Other reports are a few hundred people are in isolation after various contacts.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
OK, do we know that? I've not seen anything about that. If true, was it every single person on the bus? Did they all touch the same hand rails. Was it only people who had face to face contact with the index case. Was the index case coughing.

And what about the latest batch of cases? They weren't on that bus were they? Are their cabins all in a row on the same ventilation circuit of one of the initial infectees? Did they share a dinner table? All eat from the salad bar?
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IIRI. :(
 
quadraginta said:
I was responding to Carlosy's post upthread, where it was reported that China will no longer consider people who test positive but are asymptomatic as infected.
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Do you know what is the actual evidence this is true? I realize that it was attributed to the Chinese government, which sounds very official, but the attribution appears to me to be a post by some unrelated dude. I’ve had trouble following this back to document an official policy.

What do you know about it?
 
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