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Unless you want outfit yourself with something like the NBC suit and equipment I wore on training exercises in the US Army, sort of hard to have complete protection.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
He wrote the book after he was there.
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But you see my point, right? The Chinese government got nine years of cover-up out, before this book got published. It's not good evidence for how the Chinese government can't cover things up in the moment. I said essentially the same thing, in the part of my post that you omitted. Did you not understand it? Or was it just inconvenient to your thesis? Or both? I'm going with both.
 
Ziggurat said:
Which part is false, and how do you know?
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The quote included the falsehoods
Almost 100% of gas based air pollution, including odours such as Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs), Ozone, Benzathine, and Formaldehyde. These particulates you can find in petrol fumes, chemical emissions and from many industrial processes.

• Almost 100% of harmful pathogens such as viruses and bacteria.
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and I know because I have a couple decades of experience working with occupational respiratory protection.

Organic chemical filters use a chemical cartridge to absorb vaporized compounds. The cartridges have a limited time they can be used once you open the sealed packaging.

Do you see a replaceable filter on those masks? Hint: they are big, they need volumes of material to be to be able to absorb a sufficient amount of volatiles.

And in order to have protection from anything close to "100% of harmful pathogens" you need SCBAs.
 
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Haha! Speaking of face masks, I see spam for face masks has started.

I'd be going very long on manufacturers' shares.

Updated figures show another 3694 cases and 74 more dead, for a death total so far of 563, so will certainly pass SARS' total in the next couple of days.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The quote included the falsehoods and I know because I have a couple decades of experience working with occupational respiratory protection.

Organic chemical filters use a chemical cartridge to absorb vaporized compounds. The cartridges have a limited time they can be used once you open the sealed packaging.

Do you see a replaceable filter on those masks? Hint: they are big, they need volumes of material to be to be able to absorb a sufficient amount of volatiles.

And in order to have protection from anything close to "100% of harmful pathogens" you need SCBAs.
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The mask itself is a carbon filter. It has no replaceable cartridge because it's disposable, you only wear it for a limited time and then throw it away. It isn't meant for use in high concentration areas like a factory floor which uses lots of VOCs because it will saturate too quickly, but that isn't its intended purpose. As for pathogens, you'd have to specify what counts as close, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised by over 99%.
 
Actually the issues about masks are fairly simple:

The right kind can certainly help reduce infection, but
1. They absolutely have to fit tightly or much of the air you breathe will not be filtered
2. None filter out individual viruses based on size. Not even HEPA filters. For the most part masks work by filtering out the much bigger aerosol drops containing viruses. These aerosol droplets are how most viruses are emitted from infected people. Some masks filter out these aerosols better than others. But some are more practical to wear than others. It can be a compromise. A “moon suit” is pretty protective but not particularly practical for traveling in a bus.
3. Masks that protect against certain chemicals do so by absorbing the chemical (on to activated carbon for example) not by filtering out the chemical by molecular size. Generally chemical masks do not protect against viruses or bacteria and vis-versa.
4. Eye protection also helps.
5. Often most important, depending on the nature of the virus, you have to wash your hands often and avoid touching your face so you don’t carry viruses from surfaces to your mouth, nose, or eyes.
 
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Belz... said:
25,000 at this point. You want to revise your doomsday scenario?
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That estimate was based on an assumption that there are 100x more people infected than there are confirmed cases. That number (100x) is only a guess, but it's a guess made by an institution with expertise. I've seen numbers from 10-100x quoted elsewhere. At this point we really don't know how many people are infected but with mild or asymptomatic cases.

If you continue to work with the 100x number, then today's 28k confirmed cases = 2.8 million actual cases. Personally I doubt the factor is that high, but if you want to challenge his predictions they should be based on what he was actually saying. He didn't suggest that there would be millions of confirmed cases.
 
theprestige said:
China's in that sour spot where its national wellness institutions are so weak that they have to enact a massive quarantine at gunpoint, and its totalitarian dictatorship is strong enough to make it happen.
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I don't see any reason to think that the highlighted is true. The outbreak, and it's spread, isn't, as far as I can tell, attributable to weak national wellness institutions in China.
 
Ziggurat said:
The mask itself is a carbon filter. It has no replaceable cartridge because it's disposable, you only wear it for a limited time and then throw it away. It isn't meant for use in high concentration areas like a factory floor which uses lots of VOCs because it will saturate too quickly, but that isn't its intended purpose. As for pathogens, you'd have to specify what counts as close, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised by over 99%.
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First, they are selling woo. You should know better.

Second, I don't care what they claim, that is not a charcoal filter. What, you think it's a charcoal filter because it's black? :sdl:

As for the 99% of pathogens, health care workers should be so lucky. It's poppycock.
 
Roboramma said:
I don't see any reason to think that the highlighted is true. The outbreak, and it's spread, isn't, as far as I can tell, attributable to weak national wellness institutions in China.
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China has an incredibly sophisticated research lab from what I saw. It's looks to be on par with the West. They've come a very long way since SARS.
 
a_unique_person said:
This opinion piece from the Telegraph says it's very, very bad.
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An opinion piece from a rag little better then Daily Fail - although I see they're agreeing with my position on the global economy.

I'll take WHO's word for it at this stage.
 
I went to Giant to buy a bike today. I had to put a bunch of things on order (like a speedometer) because the guy said that the factories are only working part time now. He also said that the stores (like his) are only allowed to open 2 hours/day or will be fined. I hadn't realized that even small retail stores are being restricted to that degree.
 
Roboramma said:
That estimate was based on an assumption that there are 100x more people infected than there are confirmed cases. That number (100x) is only a guess, but it's a guess made by an institution with expertise. I've seen numbers from 10-100x quoted elsewhere. At this point we really don't know how many people are infected but with mild or asymptomatic cases.

If you continue to work with the 100x number, then today's 28k confirmed cases = 2.8 million actual cases. Personally I doubt the factor is that high, but if you want to challenge his predictions they should be based on what he was actually saying. He didn't suggest that there would be millions of confirmed cases.
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I'm not sure he made that distinction. It's my impression that he meant the presumed 1.5 factor per day would hold forever.
 
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