2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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John Avlon at CNN is arguing that Trump's team wants Bernie Sanders to win, and that they're even actively promoting his candidacy to lure him into the battleground trap, when they presumably will unleash a hail of anti-socialist rhetoric to scare them away from Sanders.
 
Distracted1 said:
I am afraid a more divisive issue will come to the fore in the general. One which will, I suspect, kill us in the swing States. Reparations.
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As far as I know, nobody is making that a issue part of their campaign. But I agree that anyone who does will be putting a match to their election hopes.
 
Biden's questionable record on Social Security should be an easy target for Sanders.

He's put out an ad on it. Sanders should keep stressing his record on Social Security in the battleground states and how Trump and the GOP are always ready to put it on the cutting board.
 
Venom said:
John Avlon at CNN is arguing that Trump's team wants Bernie Sanders to win, and that they're even actively promoting his candidacy to lure him into the battleground trap, when they presumably will unleash a hail of anti-socialist rhetoric to scare them away from Sanders.
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A fair system and justice for working Americans versus an impeached grifter who gave tax breaks to billionaires. It is a tough call for voters.
 
Venom said:
Oh that legitimately concerns me. I hope talk of reparations are not put out there.
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Yeah, only poor white people count.

BTW, low information voters see reparations as a cash payout to blacks or something. That's not the kind of reparations most candidates mean.

Rather it's legislation to make companies that built their businesses on slave labor repay the debt with investments in education and other related means.

Here are some ideas.

The Atlantic: What Do 2020 Candidates Mean When They Say ‘Reparations’?
“Perhaps the most important thing that reparations can do is present history and knowledge as it really occurred, not as a paradigm to abuse and manipulate,” he said. “Reparation, I think, has to start with the integrity of true history.”
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For many of us, reparations means spiritual repair, cultural repair, repair through the means of education, health, economics, society, all of those things together. So it’s obviously more than individual checks, but helping to build institutions so that at least African Americans can catch up with white Americans.

White Americans had help through the Homestead Act—which didn’t include us—housing loans, FHA, that helped build the suburbs. Social Security did not include us … So there were all these helping hands. And we, as African Americans, not to exclude the indigenous people, none of us can catch up because some others got a head start … We have to talk about slavery’s vestiges because as soon as slavery was over, we had the Jim Crow era … And now we live in an era where we have modern-day lynchings by law enforcement, a racist criminal-justice system … the toll grows higher and higher.
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Among these six, “reparations” always involves a truthful reckoning with history. Beyond that, it might refer to a government-run program to repair historic injustice or to specifically nongovernmental probes into historic injustices, to a onetime attempt to settle a communal grievance or an open-ended process of discovery, repair, and compensation with no foreseeable conclusion.
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I certainly agree that our historical reckoning must encompass Jim Crow, not just slavery. I want every American to enjoy the opportunity to be a free and full citizen. And I favor settling long-standing grievances between groups where that is possible.

So do I support reparations—even though I also believe that redressing recent ills, like redlining, should compensate anyone directly victimized, not just African Americans, and that the neediest among us, regardless of race, have a greater claim to common resources than a wealthy descendant of enslaved people?
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The article is worth reading by anyone who wrongly thinks reparations means a check for slave descendants.
 
I know that.

I just mean the message. Is there time to educate those people on the intricacies of reparations for slave descendants?
 
angrysoba said:
As far as I know, nobody is making that a issue part of their campaign. But I agree that anyone who does will be putting a match to their election hopes.
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Going back to the first debates, the nominees were asked about them. They are already on record supporting them (some in more vague terms than others) or not.
I think The Trump team will trot those answers right out- especially if Sanders or Warren get the nom.
 
I'm convinced, by the past half-dozen pages of this thread, that the Dems are screwed and Trump will be reelected.
In 2016, the R party didn't want Trump to be nominated, but when he did they bent over backward to support his every tweet.
D's aren't capable of doing that.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
News interviewing Biden supporters think "he can reunite the country."

It's naive.
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Is there anybody who could reunite the country at this point?

Biden' can't, and Bernie would divide it worse then ever, and not to confident about any of the other dem candidates be able to do that.
I am pessimistic. I am taking the relection of TRump as a given, and catastrophe to follow. I think the US people will just have to learn the Hard Way.
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm convinced, by the past half-dozen pages of this thread, that the Dems are screwed and Trump will be reelected.
In 2016, the R party didn't want Trump to be nominated, but when he did they bent over backward to support his every tweet.
D's aren't capable of doing that.
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Yeah you have one group who if they win will try to purge the party of anybody who is not "Progressive" enough, and if they lose they will pick up their marbles and go home.
 
I am beginning to wonder if what happened in 1972 is not repeating itself where the GOP managed to damage the more viable Democratic candidates and ended up helping the nomination of a candidate who had no chance in November.
 
i think Biden and Warren will take a hit in Iowa, and a few others will gain some points as a result. But only the 3 top ones after Iowa have any chance.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
BTW, low information voters see reparations as a cash payout to blacks or something. That's not the kind of reparations most candidates mean.
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They are still voters. It is foolish to expect to educate them, so they will take their low information to the ballot box. Candidates need to remember that instead of meaning something that the voters don't understand.

Distracted1 said:
Going back to the first debates, the nominees were asked about them. They are already on record supporting them (some in more vague terms than others) or not.
I think The Trump team will trot those answers right out- especially if Sanders or Warren get the nom.
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Okay, but what did they say?
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm convinced, by the past half-dozen pages of this thread, that the Dems are screwed and Trump will be reelected.
In 2016, the R party didn't want Trump to be nominated, but when he did they bent over backward to support his every tweet.
D's aren't capable of doing that.
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I think it has been apparent for much longer than that.

Trump is the incumbent. That gives him an advantage right there.

If voters feel the economy is doing well (regardless of what some eggheads can show with graphs), then he will win.

And there is literally no point trying to prove Trump is not as much a successful businessman as he likes to pretend, or that he has done and said sleazy things in the past. We all know that! This was the campaign that failed the first time around.
 
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