Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[Amazer]

I don't think it is actually a lie. Ceptimus really seems to believe that the UK will get better deals with everyone. Because the Empire.

I think Ceptimus just believes that the UK will get better deals... not because of empire but because it's a large economy and he seems to believe that the UK will be able to negotiate these better deals since it will no longer need to consider the requirements of the 27 other parties in the EU.

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[abaddon]

I think Ceptimus just believes that the UK will get better deals... not because of empire but because it's a large economy and he seems to believe that the UK will be able to negotiate these better deals since it will no longer need to consider the requirements of the 27 other parties in the EU.

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Perhaps. Still not an intentional lie, mere gullible swallowing of brexit rhetoric.

 

[Amazer]

Perhaps. Still not an intentional lie, mere gullible swallowing of brexit rhetoric.

I think the UK will rather quickly find out that life outside the herd can be rather challenging and that sometimes some hard, previously unthinkable, compromises have to made in order to get trade deals with the established and up and coming trading partners.

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[abaddon]

I think the UK will rather quickly find out that life outside the herd can be rather challenging and that sometimes some hard, previously unthinkable, compromises have to made in order to get trade deals with the established and up and coming trading partners.

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Quite likely. The first reality will be that no trade deal happens in 11 months.

 

[Mojo]

Pathetic. Remainers have constantly pointed out that any deal will be worse than we currently have and that no deal will leave us on damaging WTO terms. Brexiteers called this 'project fear' and told us Europe needs the UK more than we need the EU. This will be the easiest deal ever.

Yeah, that’s why we’ve made so much progress with it in the last three and a half years. The 11 month deadline will be a piece of cake.

 

[ceptimus]

I think the UK will rather quickly find out that life outside the herd can be rather challenging and that sometimes some hard, previously unthinkable, compromises have to made in order to get trade deals with the established and up and coming trading partners.

Of course there will be challenges and compromises. However, not such a big compromise as being an actual member of the EU - which involves giving up national sovereignty and handing over lots of money to buy "free" trade with them, and not being allowed to negotiate independent free trade deals with any other countries.

 

[jimbob]

If the deal on offer is a bad one, then the UK doesn't accept it, and trades instead under WTO rules. This applies to all countries (and protectionist trading blocs) that the UK negotiates with. This is very simple and obvious: only the petulant foot-stamping remainers seem unable to understand it.

How well will WTO rules get enforced when Trump is vetoing any appointment of WTO judges?

I see that the EU is agreeing a workaround with many countries - so I suppose that's another set of negotiations the UK can see about joining.

 

[jimbob]

Of course there will be challenges and compromises. However, not such a big compromise as being an actual member of the EU - which involves giving up national sovereignty and handing over lots of money to buy "free" trade with them, and not being allowed to negotiate independent free trade deals with any other countries.

Hmm

^^ Looking like a reasonable prediction there, Darat

I think we will see a form of schizophrenia. Anything better than WTO will be be portrayed as a betrayal, as "brexit in name only" because of course it will mean we've agreed to something with the EU which by definition has to mean it is bad., rather than "it's a better deal than WTO".

Also this

When diplomats sitting alongside diplomats from EU countries is seen as a bad thing, any kind of deal at all with the EU will be seen as a betrayal.

 

[Lothian]

Of course there will be challenges and compromises. However, not such a big compromise as being an actual member of the EU - which involves giving up national sovereignty

Choosing to join with other countries in pursuing shared interests does not mean giving up sovereignty. The UK decided which activities should be decided at an EU level and it retained a veto.

and handing over lots of money to buy "free" trade with them,

Idiotic. The UK was a member of the EU. It was not paying to trade with itself or the EU. The contribution was for our share of shared administration costs.

and not being allowed to negotiate independent free trade deals with any other countries.

Incredible. 4 years and you still don't understand how a customs union works

 

[ceptimus]

Incredible. 4 years and you still don't understand how a customs union works

I do understand how it works, and I think it's better for the UK not to be in it.

 

[Lothian]

I do understand how it works,

Your posts and criticism suggests otherwise.

 

[ceptimus]

Your posts and criticism suggests otherwise.

You should check your bias. Someone being critical of something you think is a good thing doesn't mean that they don't understand it.

 

[ceptimus]

USA, Canada, India, China, Australia, Mexico, Japan, New Zealand, and many other countries all choose not to be members of customs unions. Now the UK is doing the same.

 

[catsmate]

There are plenty of food poisoning cases due to chicken in EU countries, and the USA regardless of the regulations.

Regulations are only any good if they're adhered to - and the person preparing and cooking the chicken also needs to follow recommended handling and cooking precautions. In no country is it safe to eat badly prepared or undercooked chicken.

Sigh.
Even using USDA test data the rates of campylobacter, salmonella and E coli on samples are higher in the USA.
Chlorine washing is notorious in the industry for giving lower microbial counts in testing, but not actually killing the pathogens and hence leaving people vulnerable. Salmonella rates in the USA are about seven times those of the UK and eleven times those of the EU.

The stink of Brexiteer desperation is strong...

 

[catsmate]

Question: who or what has been excreting over the dead bodies of chickens?

Other chickens, mainly.

 

[catsmate]

The alternative is to just agree to everything the other side wants.

The UK will have little choice.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

But Texas, Ohio, New England etc do.
So do Ontario, Quebec and some others.

Brexit is like one of those declaring itself independent and then continuing to expect to be treated like they are still part of the larger nation.

 

[catsmate]

If the deal on offer is a bad one, then the UK doesn't accept it, and trades instead under WTO rules.

And accepts economic ruin.

 

[catsmate]

Terrible way to negotiate something like a trade deal, it's a little kids view of business negotiations.

It's the same level of childish immaturity and ignorance of reality that Brexiteers have always displayed.

 

[catsmate]

Got any evidence or is this yet another Brexiteer lie?

Given the utter ignorance ceptimus has repeatedly disregarding the World Trade Organisation he may just not understand reality and be parroting the usual Brexiteer lies.