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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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Trump is claiming today that Ivanka has “created over 15 million jobs”
That's twice more than the total number of jobs created since he took office
 
Stacyhs said:
Ummm...excuse me, sir...but wasn't it the Republicans in the Senate today who voted down having any witnesses?

And weren't you invited to appear and to present witnesses during the House proceedings and refused to do so, going so far as to order your 'exonerating' witnesses not to appear?
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This right here needs to be a message hammered home by Democrats for the next nine months. And the "Dems didn't care enough to pursue subpoenas in the courts" point is irrelevant in this context- you can't whine about not being allowed witnesses on your behalf when you've done everything in your power to block their appearance.
 
turingtest said:
This right here needs to be a message hammered home by Democrats for the next nine months. And the "Dems didn't care enough to pursue subpoenas in the courts" point is irrelevant in this context- you can't whine about not being allowed witnesses on your behalf when you've done everything in your power to block their appearance.
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The president whined about not be allowed to call witnesses on a day when the big news was, literally, that Republicans voted against allowing witnesses at the impeachment hearing.

If that doesn't convince you it's all a bunch of ****, I don't know what would.
 
pgwenthold said:
The president whined about not be allowed to call witnesses on a day when the big news was, literally, that Republicans voted against allowing witnesses at the impeachment hearing.

If that doesn't convince you it's all a bunch of ****, I don't know what would.
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Welcome to 1984.
 
shemp said:
But she also destroyed over 15 million other jobs!
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Actually, you make a reasonable point that would allow us to logically dismiss the (asserted) data.

[I’ve always wanted to post that reply in response to a Shemp message.]
 
Regarding recent events. The problem is Trump. Below are news quotes from another forum.

According to Forensic News, Trump’s loans from Deutsche Bank were underwritten by a Russian state-owned bank. That news reportedly comes from a whistleblower with access to documents from both Deutsche Bank and Russia’s state-owned VTB Bank. The question of why Deutsche Bank would extend a series of huge loans to Trump has been dangling since before he ever announced his candidacy for president on a golden escalator ride. When Trump first went to Deutsche Bank, he was worse than broke. He had just finished bankrupting multiple casinos in New Jersey, and then had convinced investors to back a takeover of those casinos at a fraction of the original value. Then Trump deliberately allowed the investment group to go bankrupt so he could grab the whole deal himself at a fraction of what his investors had paid. Then he went bankrupt. Again. And along the way he was socked with a massive fine for money laundering at his now bankrupt (again) casino.

Much of Trump’s “recovery” depended on selling apartments and buildings to Russian oligarchs at far above market prices. Those deals have always suggested the same kind of money laundering that added to the conviction of Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort, but if these accusations are accurate, Russia did far more for Trump than buy his gilded condos.
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Not all that long ago, it would have been unthinkable for a man with this kind of personal history to run for a high office, much less get elected. The underlying problem is, as one of the GOP senators said, we are in a period of cultural warfare in the U.S. Few of Trump's supporters care about any of this. They are so angry and vindictive -- you can see it very clearly in the messages they post here -- that they support Trump because he is their cultural champion. Nothing else matters. It's a deal with the devil and it is not going to end well.
 
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Trump poll numbers are the highest since election, despite constant phony Witch Hunts! Tens of thousands of people attending rallies (which the Fake News never mentions) to see “The Greatest Show On Earth”. Fun because USA is WINNING AGAIN!

Congratulations to @loudobbs, Number One. Lou has shown the Fake News what happens when you cover “America’s Greatest President” fairly & objectively! #MAGA #KAG
 
Craig4 said:
I have to admit, I find it hard to find sympathy for the American Farmer, given the fact that they tend to be very supportive for Trump. (His approval rating is currently around 83%).
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Let's see what color Nebraska and Iowa turn just after midnight on the first Wednesday in November before we enjoy their suffering.
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Even if by chance those states end up voting Democrat does not mean that it is due to the farmers.

Even the most agriculturally-intensive state will have at least some urban population. Its quite possible for the majority of farmers to keep voting for Stubby mcBonespurs, but for him to still lose the state because the democrats made strong inroads into the cities.

And, as other posters have suggested, the states voted for Trump in 2016 and are not expected to change.
 
Segnosaur said:
Even if by chance those states end up voting Democrat does not mean that it is due to the farmers.

Even the most agriculturally-intensive state will have at least some urban population. Its quite possible for the majority of farmers to keep voting for Stubby mcBonespurs, but for him to still lose the state because the democrats made strong inroads into the cities.

And, as other posters have suggested, the states voted for Trump in 2016 and are not expected to change.
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The vast majority of people even in Nebraska, Iowa and the other farm states do not live on farms. They might work on the farms or the processing plants. They live in small towns. There are still family farms but they aren't what they use to be. There is a lot of rural and small town poor that have no business voting Republican out there. The GOP use the culture wars on them. It's God, Guns and Gays. Trump adds xenophobia and racism to the mix.
 
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quadraginta said:
I'm kinda interested in how it happened. The details, I mean. It isn't like standing large panels up on concrete foundations is some revolutionary new building technique. And wind load is (or should be) a basic consideration with any structure.
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The concrete hadn't cured yet.
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So they said. That was one of the statements which puzzled me, but that's why I am interested in more detail. How ... and when ... did they know that?

Standard practice in concrete construction (mandated in most jurisdictions, and nearly always by owners/architects/engineers-of-record for any project much bigger than a work shed) is for concrete test cylinders to be made. These are broken at predetermined intervals depending on the requirements of the project. Regular concrete usually reaches design strength at 28 days, and 70% of design at 7 days. If the job requirements dictate steps based on a certain strength then extra cylinders may be made to check the curing progress.

If the job requirements dictate quicker curing than regular concrete provides then a "high-early" mix can be used, which can reach design strength in 5 to 7 days.

If the concrete had not cured enough for the panels to be erected then they should have known that. If they didn't then they dropped the ball. If they did, and didn't take steps to compensated for that then they dropped the ball.

I spent the best part of four decades mostly building concrete structures of various shapes, applications, and sizes. Usually very large. Strength and curing is concrete 101.

I suspect the wind load was accounted for in the finished design, but maybe not all the intermediate stages.
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If it hadn't been then it should have been. This isn't ground-breaking building design. It is all bog-standard stuff the industry has been doing for a very long time.

Someone screwed up or cut corners.

Or both.
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That's not clear to me. It may be that the risk of damage during construction was low enough that it wasn't worth the extra cost of reinforcing it during the curing stage.
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It's clear to me, maybe because I spent so much time doing that sort of work. Supporting walls against wind loads when required isn't super expensive. It's fairly cheap, actually, and certainly by comparison to the cost of fixing things if they fall down.

Even regular masonry construction often requires wind bracing if the walls are going to be freestanding for very long before the rest of the structure which holds them up is built. Masons deal with this every day.

For a structure which is designed and intended to be freestanding against the normal extremes of weather ... and by normal I mean storm winds , etc. ... then this is not only a basic, temporary consideration, it is literally the only consideration.

Someone screwed up. The only questions are who, why, and how bad.

I expect that there won't be a lot of follow-up on this, though. Cover-up, more like.
 
a_unique_person said:
They look like pre formed panels.
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Yes. Pre-cast, possibly site-cast panels.

Something that has been a common technique almost as long as the modern use of concrete in building has gone on.

This makes the error even more egregious, since the only thing keeping such free-standing panels standing in an application like that, without temporary supplemental bracing, is the fasteners which are used to secure them to the footings. The integrity of those fasteners would be solely dependent on the cure strength of the footing concrete.

If it is true that the footing concrete was not cured sufficiently then somebody screwed up badly.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump is claiming today that Ivanka has “created over 15 million jobs”
That's twice more than the total number of jobs created since he took office
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Ah, but he doesn't specify what country the Ivanka-created jobs are in.
 
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