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Skeptic Ginger said:
You don't think people come in contact with bats where they live?
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Bats took up residence in a abandoned building just a couple of miles from where I live.
Needless to say, with a few days of this being known, the Batman emblem showed up on the side of the building....
Bats are much,much more common then people think....largely because Bats are nocturnal creatures and are not around in the daylight much.
And except for the danger of disease the kind in the US are pretty harmless. Most are fruit bats and seldom eat meat, and certainly will not attack something as big as human being.
 
They've built bat boxes in my neighborhood, the bats nest in them. At dusk you can sometimes see them flying after insects.
 
dudalb said:
Bats took up residence in a abandoned building just a couple of miles from where I live.

Needless to say, with a few days of this being known, the Batman emblem showed up on the side of the building....

Bats are much,much more common then people think....largely because Bats are nocturnal creatures and are not around in the daylight much.

And except for the danger of disease the kind in the US are pretty harmless. Most are fruit bats and seldom eat meat, and certainly will not attack something as big as human being.
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Fruit bats carry Nipah virus


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Phylogenetic analyses of some hantaviruses show a bat link as well.

Hantavirus diseases make coronavirus diseases look like a walk in the park.
 
After some reading I found that the bat species, Rhinolophus affinis, seems to be the most likely candidate. There is an unpublished scientific paper on coronavirus in this species and it is a 96% match with the current epidemic. There are other species in the same genus with coronavirus with slightly less match percentage (still above 90%).

The common name for this bat is Intermediate Horseshoe Bat. They are common throughout South Asia, Southern and Central China and Southeast Asia. They are insectivores. The habitat is caves and sometimes hollow trees. I can't find records of this species living in homes or occupied dwellings.

In spite of a very close match there is no guarantee that this is the source animal.
 
Wow, Trump's going crazy. No surprise with his ignorance. So now Chinese nationals coming from China are banned from the US.

But what's he going to do when the virus spreads in multiple countries? Ban half the world from entering the US?

He's probably just trying to save himself.
 
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Could the virus come to US households via the millions of Amazon packages with Chinese products ordered all the time?
I just remembered the Osaka Flu from The Simpsons....
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Wow, Trump's going crazy. No surprise with his ignorance. So now Chinese nationals coming from China are banned from the US.

But what's he going to do when the virus spreads in multiple countries? Ban half the world from entering the US?

He's probably just trying to save himself.
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Yes.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Could the virus come to US households via the millions of Amazon packages with Chinese products ordered all the time?
I just remembered the Osaka Flu from The Simpsons....
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I just got a boardgame from a US company who has it printing done in Japan (Very common nowdays) and I admit that thought crossed my mind?

Though so far as we know, it has to be transmitted from living organism to living organism.
I think it is important we don't add to the hysteria by spreading BS rumors and peddling theories as facts.
 
It can't spread on Amazon packages. When have facts ever stopped Trump from revenge on his enemies?

Remember how Trump overreacted to ebola? Including his deep state paranoia that the CDC was covering up?

Kaiser Health News Morning Briefing
Based On Trump’s Past Responses To Pandemics, Experts Worry About A Harmful Overreaction From President

Stat: Trump Is Facing His Biggest Outbreak Emergency — And Experts Are Worried When Ebola was spreading in West Africa in 2014, Donald Trump took to Twitter. “STOP THE FLIGHTS!,” he blasted in all capital letters. “NO VISAS FROM EBOLA STRICKEN COUNTRIES.” He even cast doubt on the honesty of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, tweeting: “Ebola is much easier to transmit than the CDC and government representatives are admitting. Spreading all over Africa — and fast.” (Fox, 1/28)...
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It was not spreading all over Africa. Trump's paranoia makes him a menace.

The Associated Press: As US Rescues Some From Virus In China, Others Left Behind
As hundreds of Americans prepare to evacuate Wuhan, the central Chinese city at the heart of a new virus outbreak that has killed over 100, San Francisco native Doug Perez is staying behind. It’s not that he’s unconcerned. Perez, 28, and his girlfriend have hunkered down in their apartment for the past five days. They’ve argued. They’ve fretted over missed food deliveries. They’ve dubbed their Labrador, Chubby, “Apocalypse Dog,” venturing out for short walks on deserted streets only after fitting him with a mask. (Kang, 1/28)
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Well I suppose it could have been pilots or airlines refusing to do China flights instead of a government ban.

I read that immediate family of US citizens are exempt from the ban. They will likely require the quarantine.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if the virus isn't capable of sustained human to human transmission, or is just quite difficult to catch.

The first Japanese case was a tour bus driver who had been driving a tour of people from Wuhan and was diagnosed one week ago today. If he came down with it and it's easily spread, other people the tour came in contact with would be showing up by infected by now. All the hotel, shop, restaurant and tourism operators they came in contact with and it seems they didn't pass it on to them.

Time will tell, but the numbers aren't growing outside China as fast as they would be in a pandemic. The explosion of cases seen in Mexican 'flu hasn't happened.

Yet...
 
The Atheist said:
I'm beginning to wonder if the virus isn't capable of sustained human to human transmission, or is just quite difficult to catch.

The first Japanese case was a tour bus driver who had been driving a tour of people from Wuhan and was diagnosed one week ago today. If he came down with it and it's easily spread, other people the tour came in contact with would be showing up by infected by now. All the hotel, shop, restaurant and tourism operators they came in contact with and it seems they didn't pass it on to them.

Time will tell, but the numbers aren't growing outside China as fast as they would be in a pandemic. The explosion of cases seen in Mexican 'flu hasn't happened.

Yet...
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We'd be up to at least 100 confirmed cases in the US if this were nearly as contagious as flu or RSV, I'm 99.9% sure. I want to say in the 2009 zoonosis/pandemic, once it was detected in the US, it went up by about 30-40 cases per day for a few days in the early days. We're at 7 confirmed cases total in the US now.

This technically IS a pandemic right now by all definitions, but it looks like a pandemic that can (thankfully, probably) be controlled ("controlled" in an "eradicated" sense) with quarantine, like SARS was.

I'm sure it is capable of sustained human to human transmission under the right conditions, but that's a very different things from it being as contagious as flu (where you're liable to infect 10 or 20 people before you have so much as a slightly stopped up nose) so I think the public health authorities are doing the right thing to be going at quarantine measures with serious force.
 
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