2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Bernie Sanders tweets:

CEOs at Merck and Pfizer each make almost $50 million a year. A senior's median income is $25,000 a year.

Pharma CEOs get rich charging the world’s highest prices. Seniors cut their pills in half and skip groceries trying to afford them.

That is disgusting and has got to end.​
 
Venom said:
I will never vote for Warren after witnessing what she did to Bernie on live television.
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The time she ripped that patch off his shirt and exposed his pierced nipple at the Super Bowl! That was as problematic as it was erotic, and it was plenty erotic!
 
It's still hard to believe they were running mates in 2016. There does seem to be, not as much as the press is hyping up but some, real bad blood between them.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Bernie Sanders tweets:

CEOs at Merck and Pfizer each make almost $50 million a year. A senior's median income is $25,000 a year.

Pharma CEOs get rich charging the world’s highest prices. Seniors cut their pills in half and skip groceries trying to afford them.

That is disgusting and has got to end.​
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Yup. Executive pay seems to be excessive. (I'm especially disturbed at the existence of "golden parachutes"... executives getting big payouts after getting fired.)

The question is... what do you DO about it. All fine for Sanders to rant about these big paydays but how do you step in to provide limits to just how much a person can get paid, without government overreach.
 
Segnosaur said:
Yup. Executive pay seems to be excessive. (I'm especially disturbed at the existence of "golden parachutes"... executives getting big payouts after getting fired.)

The question is... what do you DO about it. All fine for Sanders to rant about these big paydays but how do you step in to provide limits to just how much a person can get paid, without government overreach.
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Use the world's largest soap box to advocate for unions, taxation on the rich, and other policies that would directly address extreme wealth inequality.
 
Sideroxylon said:
We have been through this many times. You know I don’t jump through your hoops on demand.
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The problem is that every time I try to pin you down on something that's clear and unambiguous, you answer the above. It sounds like you're trying to avoid having to give an answer that's uncomfortable, rather than anything that's related to me.

The question is simple: would you rather support a tolerable candidate that will win, or one that will align more with your beliefs but lose?
 
Cabbage said:
I don't think that's the real question. It assumes foreknowledge of who will win or lose.
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That's the point of the hypothetical, as that's what we're discussing right now.

TragicMonkey said:
Or like asking out the person you love versus settling for one you don't love but is more likely to say yes. Always settle for the lowest star you can reach! That's the key to a happy life: never seek excellence, always settle for a certain adequacy.
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Sorry, TM, but I'd rather a government that I'm merely content with, than an imaginary one, while my enemies destroy everything I hold dear.

Why seek excellence if doing so will end with worse than mediocrity: evil?
 
TragicMonkey said:
So of three possible outcomes one is desirable and two aren't. Your strategy is to deliberately pursue an undesirable outcome? Even if you are successful you've still lost.
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I can't believe you're not getting this. These are your choices:

A) Voting for your prefered candidate, whom you know is likely to lose*
B) Voting for an ok or lesser evil candidate, whom you know is likely to win
C) Voting for the other team's greater evil

Is it that difficult to accept that B is the better choice? People living in human societies have known this for thousands of years. We're rarely perfectly happy with the government, but so what? What's this "my way or the highway" mentality?

*For the purposes of this hypothetical.
 
Your question is useless, Belz...

You get a picture of Biden in the lead and someone like Gabbard at second place.
There are two front-runners right now within the margin of error in most polls.
 
Belz... said:
I can't believe you're not getting this. These are your choices:

A) Voting for your prefered candidate, whom you know is likely to lose*
B) Voting for an ok or lesser evil candidate, whom you know is likely to win
C) Voting for the other team's greater evil

Is it that difficult to accept that B is the better choice? People living in human societies have known this for thousands of years. We're rarely perfectly happy with the government, but so what? What's this "my way or the highway" mentality?

*For the purposes of this hypothetical.
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I "get it", I just happen to disagree. Not everyone believes utilitarianism is the best approach to life.

And it's hardly "my way or the highway" when I'm advocating following one's own conscience and you're trying to bully others into acting as you think they ought.
 
Belz... said:
I can't believe you're not getting this. These are your choices:

A) Voting for your prefered candidate, whom you know is likely to lose*
B) Voting for an ok or lesser evil candidate, whom you know is likely to win
C) Voting for the other team's greater evil

Is it that difficult to accept that B is the better choice? People living in human societies have known this for thousands of years. We're rarely perfectly happy with the government, but so what? What's this "my way or the highway" mentality?

*For the purposes of this hypothetical.
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B and C are unacceptable. It doesn't matter what the outcome is, I can't live with the choice of B if I have some deal breaker.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Bernie Sanders tweets:

CEOs at Merck and Pfizer each make almost $50 million a year. A senior's median income is $25,000 a year.

Pharma CEOs get rich charging the world’s highest prices. Seniors cut their pills in half and skip groceries trying to afford them.

That is disgusting and has got to end.​
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Not sure there's an easy solution unless we're talking about massive taxation ofhigher-bracket earners.
 
"Spite Trump" is already the main reason we get from the Republicans.

We don't need it from X percent of the Democrats as well.
 
Belz... said:
Oh, I'm sure you'd like this to be a fair representation of my post. Fortunately you can't edit that post.

You still haven't answered my question. Would you prefer to lose than vote for a less-than-perfect candidate?
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I prefer to vote for the whichever candidate among the available choices I think is best. In this particular election that means I'll vote for Warren in the primary if she's still an option, then in the election I'll vote for whichever Democrat won the primary (hoping that it's Warren).

I don't see why you are so hostile about this.

I tell you what, if Trump wins the election by a single vote I'll won't object to your bombastic lecturing on the subject.
 
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