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It says something that "Contagion" though a fictional movie, is a lot more accurate about possible pandemics then this crap.


Global epidemic movie Contagion about deadly virus from Hong Kong hitting the US hits top ten iTunes chart almost a decade after its release amid coronavirus spread

Daily Mail said:
Contagion shot back into the iTunes renting charts as huge numbers began to watch the 2011 movie which has creepy similarities to the current coronavirus outbreak.

Starring Gwyneth Paltrow, Matt Damon and Kate Winslet, the movie tracks a global epidemic as a mystery virus from Hong Kong travels to the United States and kills millions of people.

Almost a decade after its release, Contagion jumped to number ten on the US iTunes renting chart and now sits in number 14. The 1995 movie Outbreak has also catapulted to spot 76...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ly-virus-Hong-Kong-hits-ten-iTunes-chart.html
 
"Contagion" is a really good movie that did not get the reception it deserved back in 2011.
One thing good about it is it actually tries to be accurate about what could happen in the US during a pandemic.
 
Yesterday I read that bats are still a focus as being the potential source. Snakes were initially targeted and have not been removed as the possible source. It seems that the virus closely resembles (but not identical) ones already known from bats and snakes. I read that snakes are common at the Wuhan market but that bats are seasonal and none were for sale at the market when the outbreak was initially attributed to that market.

I'm still adamant that bats are the natural hosts of the virus.

In my non-expert opinion it just seems unlikely that the roads lead to a non-mammalian origin.
 
I'm still adamant that bats are the natural hosts of the virus.

In my non-expert opinion it just seems unlikely that the roads lead to a non-mammalian origin.
Snakes do eat bats but I don't know if that matters here.

One of the earliest articles mentioned that this coronavirus does resemble a virus in cobras and kraits (both are snakes).

Yesterday I watched an amateur video of Wuhan market. All kinds of animals for sale. There were lots of snakes, but as far as I could tell they were all reticulated pythons. The video didn't show everything at the market and maybe there were cobras and kraits.

This is just FWIW.
 
"Contagion" is a really good movie that did not get the reception it deserved back in 2011.
I don't know why you say this. The film was both a financial and critical success and it premiered at the Venice Film Festival.
 
Snakes do eat bats but I don't know if that matters here.

One of the earliest articles mentioned that this coronavirus does resemble a virus in cobras and kraits (both are snakes).

Yesterday I watched an amateur video of Wuhan market. All kinds of animals for sale. There were lots of snakes, but as far as I could tell they were all reticulated pythons. The video didn't show everything at the market and maybe there were cobras and kraits.

This is just FWIW.


Here's a paper published today in the British medical journal The Lancet.

Genomic characterisation and epidemiology of 2019 novel coronavirus: implications for virus origins and receptor binding said:
Phylogenetic analysis showed that bat-derived coronaviruses fell within all five subgenera of the genus Betacoronavirus. Moreover, bat-derived coronaviruses fell in basal positions in the subgenus Sarbecovirus, with 2019-nCoV most closely related to bat-SL-CoVZC45 and bat-SL-CoVZXC21, which were also sampled from bats.23 These data are consistent with a bat reservoir for coronaviruses in general and for 2019-nCoV in particular. However, despite the importance of bats, several facts suggest that another animal is acting as an intermediate host between bats and humans. First, the outbreak was first reported in late December, 2019, when most bat species in Wuhan are hibernating. Second, no bats were sold or found at the Huanan seafood market, whereas various non-aquatic animals (including mammals) were available for purchase. Third, the sequence identity between 2019-nCoV and its close relatives bat-SL-CoVZC45 and bat-SL-CoVZXC21 was less than 90%, which is reflected in the relatively long branch between them. Hence, bat-SL-CoVZC45 and bat-SL-CoVZXC21 are not direct ancestors of 2019-nCoV. Fourth, in both SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, bats acted as the natural reservoir, with another animal (masked palm civet for SARS-CoV35 and dromedary camels for MERS-CoV)36 acting as an intermediate host, with humans as terminal hosts. Therefore, on the basis of current data, it seems likely that the 2019-nCoV causing the Wuhan outbreak might also be initially hosted by bats, and might have been transmitted to humans via currently unknown wild animal(s) sold at the Huanan seafood market.
 
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Masks are completely useless for us bearded guys.
That's why when I bought my P2 filter mask for the bushfire smoke I made sure my beard was neatly trimmed to fit underneath it.

I'm working in Windsor at the moment and the largest group of tourists are the Chinese, the drop in the number of Chinese tourists is astonishing. When I was walking in front of the castle today I hardly saw a Chinese tourist and not a single tour group of Chinese.
I'm seeing no difference in the number of Chinese students on the bus. But they're here for half the year - many of them probably haven't been home since it started. It's not really comparable to tourism.
 
"Contagion" is a really good movie that did not get the reception it deserved back in 2011.
One thing good about it is it actually tries to be accurate about what could happen in the US during a pandemic.

I don't know why you say this. The film was both a financial and critical success and it premiered at the Venice Film Festival.

Its budget was $60,000,000. It made $136,515,867 worldwide.

More financial information about the movie here https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt1598778/?ref_=bo_se_r_1

On rotten tomatoes it gets 84%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/contagion_2011
 
But they're here for half the year - many of them probably haven't been home since it started. It's not really comparable to tourism.
Is there any justifiable concern about personal goods shipped from China? I don't know how this virus works. Is there any chance of contamination with a "letter from home" coming from China?
 
Is there any justifiable concern about personal goods shipped from China? I don't know how this virus works. Is there any chance of contamination with a "letter from home" coming from China?

Barely possible with a super-fast shipment. The virus is only viable for a matter of hours outside the body.
 
"Contagion" is a really good movie that did not get the reception it deserved back in 2011.
One thing good about it is it actually tries to be accurate about what could happen in the US during a pandemic.
Uuuummmm, some of the stuff.

A few good things, shipping bad vaccine to third world countries, I can see that happening.

Making a big deal about the scientists vaccinating family and other loved ones, that was dumb. Of course anyone with hands on vaccine distribution would do that. Not too many people would care. It would only be a tiny fraction of the doses.

The biggest problem was the speed they sent the virus around, condensed to make the movie work. No real pathogen would do that. Though you can look historically at measles and small pox spreading in the Americas to get a real life model. It takes a longer period of communicability and more survivors or the pandemic would essentially burn out quickly.
 
You are saying that touch contamination is no concern with this coronavirus.
The main concern with touch is that if you touch a surface contaminated with the surviving virus, you may then transfer that virus to your mouth or nose. I don't know how long this particular virus can survive on a surface. It may be long enough to survive a trip through international post, but I would think it unlikely. Even viruses that survive for a very long time on surfaces like measles are rarely reported as being transmitted through the post.

But here you go. This might help with your question, depending on how much you trust the New York Post as a source.

Coronavirus can spread on contaminated surfaces, experts warn
 
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