2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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I think a lot of people are really, really, overestimating the number of "Progressive" voters out there.
I think there is a echo chamber at work here. If most of your friends are Progressives,and you get most of your news from Progressive sources, you are going to think most people are Progressives at heart.

This is best illustrated by a reporter covering the 1972 elections and was shocked when Nixon won, saying "But nobody I knew voted for him".

Most people are not "progressives" at heart, and they don't identify as progressive, or at least not as progressive as progressive insiders want to believe, but to think because of that they won't vote for a progressive is idiotic. Look at the numbers in Iowa, not exactly a progressive state but apparently Bernie's in the lead within the margin of error.

I'll vote for someone who calls himself progressive =/= I'm a progressive
 
Amy Klobuchar taking heat for her involvement as the DA for an extremely flimsy murder case that resulted in a 16 year old black kid receiving a life sentence.

The case has many of the calling cards of our flawed legal system: jailhouse informants, no physical evidence, and recanting witnesses. A man in jail has claimed responsibility for the killing. The victim's father doubts that they have the right guy.

Local groups, such as the NAACP and BLM, call for Klobuchar to end her campaign.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/01/29/klobuchar-called-to-withdraw-from-presidential-race-as-questions-swirl-around-myon-burrell-case/#.XjHsZox6acJ.twitter
 
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Amy Klobuchar taking heat for her involvement as the DA for an extremely flimsy murder case that resulted in a 16 year old black kid receiving a life sentence.

The case has many of the calling cards of our flawed legal system: jailhouse informants, no physical evidence, and recanting witnesses.

Local groups, such as the NAACP and BLM, call for Klobuchar to end her campaign. [/URL]

Isn't this just the Kamala Harris fight again?
 
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Trump won the electoral college by 200,000 votes in a few states.

There's no guarantee it was super significant nor does it look like Russia is planning to interfere if it's Bernie. In fact, depending on the ultimate motivations of the 2016 attack, it appears since Sanders is relatively non-interventionist Putin won't be too enthusiastic about attacking him the way he did Clinton.

Having Trump in the White House benefits Russia. Trump's immaturity and willingness to create conflict has damaged relationships between the United States and our allies. Hampering our ability to cooperate on economic and social issues.

This is the same reason that Russia interfered with the Brexit elections. The passage of Brexit has weakened both the UK and the EU.
 
Isn't this just the Kamala Harris fight again?

God willing it is.

I honestly hope that the "DA becoming a politician" thing is dead for Democrats. Our criminal justice system is a brutal disgrace. We need to stop worshiping prosecutors.

No cop should be POTUS.

Hopefully this is a paradigm shift, like I was talking about before. There was a time that a Democratic DA's were seen as a good pool for politicians. Locking people up for decades proved they were tough, blah blah blah.

It is my sincere hope that anyone involved in the over incarceration and policing of our society has no place among the supposed left party.
 
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"Okay but if we run Bernie then Russia won't interfere in the 2020 election" is... a very bold claim.

So wait the new narrative is the Russians were out to get Hillary not either help Trump or just generally muck up our election and take advantage of the confusion?

Forget the popular narratives. There is a popular narrative that there is a sex tape of young Russian women urinating on Trump in a Moscow hotel, utter ******** probably fabricated by the security services.

I think stirring up unrest in the U.S. was a nice bonus for the Kremlin, but secondary to stopping a former Secretary of State under whose watch saw the fall of powerful dictators like Muammar Gaddafi. Putin was obsessed with his capture and killing, and generally harshly critical of U.S. foreign policy from the Bush to Obama years, if for no other reason than his own insecurity as head of a relatively young and stable post-Soviet regime. On top of that, Trump being critical of NATO and saying he wouldn't unconditionally support allied states must have been music to Putin's ears.

I don't know if they will interfere in this election, but there's a lot less material there to work with, and the less interventionist a candidate the more RT and Sputnik tend to let them slide.
 
It is my sincere hope that anyone involved in the over incarceration and policing of our society has no place among the supposed left party.

Yeah this is a good time to be kicking as many people out of your side as possible. Good plan.

"Cops and DAs suck" might even fit on the hats and pins. Can't really chant it at a rally though. Might need a catchy acronym.

I mean seriously this is one of those "Stick your head outside your bubble for a few seconds" moments.

And I don't want a 5 page paragraph explaining why you think this is accurate. I want you to nod your head if you understand this isn't a popular idea.

If the sell from the Dems is "Cops and prosecutors don't pass our purity test" you might as well rebrand yourself as the "We love criminals and hate law and order" party.
 
Having Trump in the White House benefits Russia. Trump's immaturity and willingness to create conflict has damaged relationships between the United States and our allies. Hampering our ability to cooperate on economic and social issues.

This is the same reason that Russia interfered with the Brexit elections. The passage of Brexit has weakened both the UK and the EU.

The unexpected U.S. assassination of General Suleimani might make them think twice about backing an anti-Iranian hawk in the White House.
 
Yeah this is a good time to be kicking as many people out of your side as possible. Good plan.

"Cops and DAs suck" might even fit on the hats and pins. Can't really chant it at a rally though. Might need a catchy acronym.

I mean seriously this is one of those "Stick your head outside your bubble for a few seconds" moments.

And I don't want a 5 page paragraph explaining why you think this is accurate. I want you to nod your head if you understand this isn't a popular idea.

If the sell from the Dems is "Cops and prosecutors don't pass our purity test" you might as well rebrand yourself as the "We love criminals and hate law and order" party.

These things matter to more than just ultra lefties. "Law and order" has been a cudgel against minority and poor communities for decades and they are tired of it. Criminal justice reform is a viable public policy.

If you want to get the black vote, nominating a candidate that rat-****** a black kid into a life sentence probably isn't a good idea.
 
These things matter to more than just ultra lefties. "Law and order" has been a cudgel against minority and poor communities for decades and they are tired of it.

If you want to get the black vote, nominating a candidate that rat-****** a black kid into a life sentence probably isn't a good idea.

Blacks make up 12.7% of the population and are already going to vote Democrat at about 84%. Tendency to support Democrats has stayed steady among African Americas for decades they aren't waiting for the first excuse to turn into Republicans or stay home.

And this is another one of those "If we don't pander to this group 100% they will vote in the totally opposite direction against their own best interests just to spite us" inanity.

Right. We nominate a former DA and black people are going to instead vote for the guy who calls them rapist and killers (okay that was Mexicans but you get my point.)

Black people aren't stupid, give them some credit. If the choice is between Donald "Bring Back the Death Penalty for the Central Park 5" Trump and "A prosecutor who sometimes prosecuted people" I think we can trust them to make the right call.

The bombed out economic crime ridden blast craters of the Rust Belt that Hillary lost in 2016 and that we absolutely positively have to get back if we want to win in 2020 on the other hand will not have any easy choice to make between Trump and a "Cops? What have they ever done for us?" Candidate. Throw a "And the troops? Screw those guys, American imperialist all of them" in there while you're at it. Then just punch a bald eagle and say how apple pie sucks. And apple pie does suck.

Stop worrying about the eggs you already have in the basket. Blacks, Latinos, Gays, Transgenders, Immigrants, etc aren't going to jump ship to Donald Trump the second the Democratic Party slips up and isn't woke enough for 5 seconds.

Democrats need to stop acting like their base is this flock of skittish birds that are all going to fly off if the try to throw some seed at some of birds sitting on the fence between their and the Republicans yards.
 
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Wasn’t America founded on ideals? How did choosing who to vote for become so focused on simply winning?

Yeah, you have to win power to implement your policies but ideals are abandoned for playing it safe sums that are about something so complex that predictions are often wrong.
 
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Wasn’t America founded on ideals? How did choosing who to vote for become so focused on simply winning?

If you're happy with President Trump in 2020 because "You voted your heart and that's all that matters" so be it, nobody can stop you.
 
If you're happy with President Trump in 2020 because "You voted your heart and that's all that matters" so be it, nobody can stop you.

Tell you what, if the uncharismatic, centrist candidates could actually win elections, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If Hillary won in 2016 it would probably had been the end of Bernie's career.

I was a Bernie supporter in 2016 and pulled the lever for Hillary in the general. What good did that do me?

This isn't about "voting your heart", it's about picking a candidate that can actually win. These lame neolibs suck and Trump will beat them like a rented mule.

Can't wait to have Biden bravely championing for health insurance companies in between half-incoherent defenses of his fail-son's nepotism jobs. That's what people really love, will really gin up enthusiasm and get them to the polls.
 
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What good did that do me?

Oh my arm is not long enough for the jerk off motion that is in my soul right now.

*Makes crying motions fists at my eyes* Oh boo hoo my Golden Boy didn't win the election. Screw the whole system.

There hasn't been a mainstream political candidate that ranked above "A porno movie but all the sex scenes have been cut out so all you have is the cheesy dialogue and the Wah-wah peddle music" in my life time. I haven't risen above a "Eh, they are okay I guess" for a candidate in my lifetime.

And I still in, in every election Federal, State, and Local, drag my caracess down to the voting booth and push a button for the person I think is going to do the best for the country. Because I'm not a psychopath and I understand it's not all about me.

This is the absolute most selfish junk I've read. This is pathetic. This is lower then the "I voted for Trump because I want to troll the Dems" crap.
 
Oh my arm is not long enough for the jerk off motion that is in my soul right now.

*Makes crying motions fists at my eyes* Oh boo hoo my Golden Boy didn't win the election. Screw the whole system.

There hasn't been a mainstream political candidate that ranked above "A porno movie but all the sex scenes have been cut out so all you have is the cheesy dialogue and the Wah-wah peddle music" in my life time. I haven't risen above a "Eh, they are okay I guess" for a candidate in my lifetime.

And I still in, in every election Federal, State, and Local, drag my caracess down to the voting booth and push a button for the person I think is going to do the best for the country. Because I'm not a psychopath and I understand it's not all about me.

This is the absolute most selfish junk I've read. This is pathetic. This is lower then the "I voted for Trump because I want to troll the Dems" crap.

Nowhere did I say I was going to spite vote should Bernie not get the nom.

HRC getting stuffed by a carnival barker was a shock in 2016. Some boring centrist dem getting stuffed again in 2020 is predictable. Pardon me if I don't smile while the Democratic party walks headfirst into the buzzsaw.

Once the primary over, the die is largely cast, and the options become pretty clear, Trump or whoever the D nominee is. An obvious choice for many, but 2016 should prove that it is not an obvious choice for all.
 
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Exposed: Peter Schweizer Explains How Warren Built Her Fortune by Aiding Big Corporations She Routinely Rails Against

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) made millions of dollars through her role in rewriting portions of U.S. bankruptcy law and assisting big corporations in navigating the laws she helped write at the expense of the victims of their practices, Government Accountability Institute (GAI) president and Breitbart News senior contributor Peter Schweizer revealed during a discussion on his book Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite on Breitbart News Daily."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...big-corporations-she-routinely-rails-against/
 
If you're happy with President Trump in 2020 because "You voted your heart and that's all that matters" so be it, nobody can stop you.

Nice! Exactly. That is the fear/ fear mongering that I am talking about. The fear that boxes people into voting for mediocre politicians who perpetuate an injust and broken system, abandong any striving for the nations lofty founding ideals.
 
Caitlin Johnstone sticks it to freaks like David Frum and his fellow traveller Max Boot over them attacking Bernie:

Caitlin Johnstone said:
[...] that just says so much about the coddled, insulated, completely unchallenged life that these mass media pundits are accustomed to, right there. To believe that you can help pave the way for a war that kills a million people based on lies and then years later say “Oh yeah I made an oopsie with that one, I need a do-over” requires an unbelievable amount of entitlement and privilege, let alone to be able to self-righteously hold that admission up as some kind of superior virtue that is worthy of praise and deference.

You don’t get to help murder a million human beings and then act indignant when people bring it up. That is not a thing. Your admission of wrongdoing does not undo the wrong that you did, and only someone who has been raised in a consequence-free environment their entire life could possibly believe that it would.

Hey Max? If you ever get tired of being completely wrong about everything, here’s a hot tip for you: maybe start with crossing off the idea that murdering a bunch of people is an ideal solution to every problem. Normal people don’t think that way. That’s why you’re wrong more often than any normal person. It really is that simple.

Nobody who promoted the unforgivable Iraq invasion should ever be listened to about anything for as long as they live. They certainly should not be elevated in prominent slots on mainstream news outlets. They should not even be able to find employment anywhere more glamorous than a McDonald’s.

It is good that these people are exposing themselves, and it is good that more people are learning about the Iraq invasion. Nothing has ever been done to make right the unfathomable evils which were inflicted upon our species by that one horrific act, let alone the many other disastrous interventions which have been endorsed by Max Boot.

Let’s all hope for a sane world where mass military slaughter is seen for what it is, and where war whores like Max Boot are seen for what they are, and where both of these things fade into obsolescence forever.
 
Nice! Exactly. That is the fear/ fear mongering that I am talking about. The fear that boxes people into voting for mediocre politicians who perpetuate an injust and broken system, abandong any striving for the nations lofty founding ideals.
Fear mongering implies trying to push people's panic buttons over danger that isn't there. But in this case, the danger is real...

- The 2016 election was extremely tight, and the difference came down to only a few thousand votes in a couple of states.

- Trump is an extremely disgusting individual.

Like it or not, the U.S. is for the most part a 2 party state, and a failure to vote for one candidate helps the election changes of the other candidate. With that in mind, the ability of a candidate to win needs to be addressed.

If the republican candidate were (for example) Romney or McCain, it might be understandable for a democratic voter to pick someone based on lofty principles. After all, if your preferred democratic candidate ends up losing the general election, at least you still end up with a competent person as president (even if they don't share your principles). Trump changes everything. He needs to be removed, even if it means you end up picking a candidate you're not totally happy about just because he has a better chance at winning. Whatever 'lofty principles' you have should be second to the lofty principle of "Do I really want this country to go down the toilet".
 
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