Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

[JoeMorgue]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard Joe or Hunter Biden say they can't wait to testify under oath at the Trump impeachment trial to clear up the allegations of corruption?

Indeed. After all why would someone who's not guilty have anything to had naming no Trumps.

 

[Aridas]

[/xhilite]

Why?

What would be gained by trying to hide it?

A fig leaf.

 

[Aridas]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard Joe or Hunter Biden say they can't wait to testify under oath at the Trump impeachment trial to clear up the allegations of corruption?

And why would anyone believe that that's a reasonable venue to address that issue?

 

[Ziggurat]

For those who claimed that Trump can't have Dictatorial aspirations because does actually defy court orders:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...-notes-from-jared-kushners-mueller-interview/

The DOJ didn't defy the court order. The order wasn't to produce specific documents. It was to process the FOIA request and produce whatever documents the plaintiffs were allowed access to by a certain time. The DOJ's position is that under FOIA rules, they are not entitled to certain documents, while others that they are entitled to were handed over in accordance with the court ruling. The plaintiffs may contest that decision, and the court might in the future rule that the DOJ is wrong to withhold those particular documents, but the court might also rule that the DOJ is right to withhold them. But in either case, at the moment the court ruling does not specify that those particular documents must be handed over, so this isn't defying a court order.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Why would they do that? They are not on trial and have not been charged with anything. And even if they had the impeachment of Trump due to his own actions would still be valid.

This whole thing is about Trump wanting Ukraine to investigate the Bidens corruption, probably based on the tape of Joe Biden bragging about telling Ukraine they weren't going to get over a billion dollars in loan guarantees unless they fired the Prosecutor General of Ukraine who was investigating Burisma, where Hunter Biden was making a whole bunch of money sitting on their board.


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The DOJ didn't defy the court order. The order wasn't to produce specific documents. It was to process the FOIA request and produce whatever documents the plaintiffs were allowed access to by a certain time. The DOJ's position is that under FOIA rules, they are not entitled to certain documents, while others that they are entitled to were handed over in accordance with the court ruling. The plaintiffs may contest that decision, and the court might in the future rule that the DOJ is wrong to withhold those particular documents, but the court might also rule that the DOJ is right to withhold them. But in either case, at the moment the court ruling does not specify that those particular documents must be handed over, so this isn't defying a court order.

What you are saying has no basis in reality.

In this case, the Judge has made it clear that he wants the Kushner transcript - even if it is so sensitive that only he gets to read it, initially, to determine whether he will pass it on or not.
The DOJ has not complied with his order, but isn't challenging it.

YOU set up the red line of defying the Courts as a sign of an aspiring dictator, and are now moving the goalposts.
Very much as expected.

 

[plague311]

The DOJ didn't defy the court order. The order wasn't to produce specific documents. It was to process the FOIA request and produce whatever documents the plaintiffs were allowed access to by a certain time. The DOJ's position is that under FOIA rules, they are not entitled to certain documents, while others that they are entitled to were handed over in accordance with the court ruling. The plaintiffs may contest that decision, and the court might in the future rule that the DOJ is wrong to withhold those particular documents, but the court might also rule that the DOJ is right to withhold them. But in either case, at the moment the court ruling does not specify that those particular documents must be handed over, so this isn't defying a court order.

I can't imagine why they would determine just Kushner's are ok to withhold. Can you? It would be different, to me, if they withheld all of them from all participants but this screams of special treatment.

 

[JoeMorgue]

What you are saying has no basis in reality.

No the sad part is it does, because what Trump tells him is his reality now.

 

[Segnosaur]

The DOJ didn't defy the court order. The order wasn't to produce specific documents. It was to process the FOIA request and produce whatever documents the plaintiffs were allowed access to by a certain time.

If you read the article provided, it specifically says:

Senior United States District Judge for the District of Columbia Reggie Walton...had ordered the DOJ to turn over the same slew of documents provided to House congressional investigators, which included the 302 interview memos from the FBI’s interview with Kushner.
...
“But still, on January 2 and on Friday night, the Justice Department was to have handed over as much of the documents the House had read as it could under the public records access law. Kushner wasn’t in either January batch,” the report stated.

Assuming that description is accurate (the Lawandcrime website does have a high 'factual' rating according to mediabias), it states the judge ordered the "same slew of documents provided to house investigators" to be turned over. Sounds to me the judge was referring to specific documents.... "You gave these documents to the house, now give them to CNN".

It wasn't "You gave these documents to the house, now pick and chose which ones you want to give to the press".

 

[The Great Zaganza]

This whole thing is about Trump wanting Ukraine to investigate the Bidens corruption, probably based on the tape of Joe Biden bragging about telling Ukraine they weren't going to get over a billion dollars in loan guarantees unless they fired the Prosecutor General of Ukraine who was investigating Burisma, where Hunter Biden was making a whole bunch of money sitting on their board.


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

if there was any 'there' there, why doesn't Barr start an investigation?
Is he in Biden's pocket?

 

[Mumbles]

But isn't sending an almost certainly innocent brown man to death row exemplifying the values of the American justice system, surely this is what is needed to Make America Great Again.

For Dolt 45 and MAGAts? Of course, but they're white nationalists, Nazi wannabes, and other assorted white supremacists.

For people who read books that aren't about massive foreign invasions and race wars? No.

 

[Segnosaur]

if there was any 'there' there, why doesn't Barr start an investigation? Is he in Biden's pocket?

Or, even better, why doesn't the Trump administration go through the proper channels to initiate the investigation? After all, there are international agreements that would allow the U.S. to request an investigation in other countries, yet the Trump administration didn't use any of those.

 

[plague311]

if there was any 'there' there, why doesn't Barr start an investigation?
Is he in Biden's pocket?

That is the part I don't understand. Trump can order an investigation be started if there's legitimate proof of a crime, and to be honest I don't even know if that's required.

This whole thing is so ******* weird. Trump's claim Obama and everyone spied on him, without consequence, but won't do it himself? He claims Biden broke the law, but doesn't think his actions are illegal. The man is walking, talking moron.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

if there was any 'there' there, why doesn't Barr start an investigation?
Is he in Biden's pocket?

Trump asked Zelensky to do the investigation, probably because his people are more suited to the task because they live there and have the ability to speak and read Ukrainian, and Russian when necessary. Also, we have a treaty to cooperate in corruption investigations.

 

[Segnosaur]

Trump asked Zelensky to do the investigation, probably because his people are more suited to the task because they live there and have the ability to speak and read Ukrainian, and Russian when necessary. Also, we have a treaty to cooperate in corruption investigations.

Which of course is totally not the correct procedure for initiating an investigation in other countries.

The proper procedure is that: The Department of Justice in the U.S. would gather the relevant evidence. They would contact the equivalent organization in the foreign country to say "There are possible crimes". The foreign country would evaluate the evidence and act on it to open up an investigation.

There are laws in place to allow those exact steps to occur.

It is not normal (and in this case illegal) for the investigation to be initiated by the 2 heads-of-state engaging in a conversation.

 

[Ziggurat]

What you are saying has no basis in reality.

In this case, the Judge has made it clear that he wants the Kushner transcript - even if it is so sensitive that only he gets to read it, initially, to determine whether he will pass it on or not.
The DOJ has not complied with his order, but isn't challenging it.

YOU set up the red line of defying the Courts as a sign of an aspiring dictator, and are now moving the goalposts.
Very much as expected.

Show me the text of the court order, because I don't believe your characterization of it is correct.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Trump asked Zelensky to do the investigation, probably because his people are more suited to the task because they live there and have the ability to speak and read Ukrainian, and Russian when necessary. Also, we have a treaty to cooperate in corruption investigations.

Oh please. Nobody buys that you don't understand the difference between simple international inter-agency cooperation and the President of the United States telling a foreign power to investigate a political rival.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump asked Zelensky to do the investigation, probably because his people are more suited to the task because they live there and have the ability to speak and read Ukrainian, and Russian when necessary. Also, we have a treaty to cooperate in corruption investigations.

You are telling me that Ukraine is more competent to investigate the corruption of Americans than the FBI?
You have a lot of trust in the Ukrainian legal system - more than Trump, who never asked anyone actual working in the Ukrainian judiciary.

 

[plague311]

Trump asked Zelensky to do the investigation, probably because his people are more suited to the task because they live there and have the ability to speak and read Ukrainian, and Russian when necessary. Also, we have a treaty to cooperate in corruption investigations.

That's true. We definitely don't have anyone in America, especially in our investigative bodies, that would have the ability to do things like read\speak Russian and Ukrainian. I like it, that's a good excuse, keep going with that one.

 

[a_unique_person]

Trump Tweets

The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify. It is up to them, not up to the Senate!

READ THE TRANSCRIPTS!

Schiff must release the IG report, without changes or tampering, which is said to be yet further exoneration of the Impeachment Hoax. He refuses to give it. Does it link him to Whistleblower? Why is he so adamant?

Trump must release the actual undoctored transcript of the conversation that is locked away.