Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Sleepyeyes Chuck Todd of Meet the Corrupt Press, just had a “totally” softball interview with conman Adam Schiff, never even calling Shifty out on his fraudulent statement to Congress, where he made up ALL of the words of my conversation with the Ukrainian President! FAKE NEWS
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Trump is absolutely obsessed with Schiff's parody of Trump's phone call. Obviously, Schiff got under his skin with that bit.
 
SezMe said:
I find it quite easy. Could you provide us with evidence that Krugman caused "huge economic damage" to his followers. Oh, and you might want to define "followers" as well.
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Haha. Define "followers".

It's pretty easy to understand what was meant by the "caused huge economic damage to his follower’s pocketbooks". All you have to do is stop tying so hard to deliberately misunderstand it.

It is funny to see the near-religious devotion to so many to 'refuting' or disagreeing with everything Trump says to remain in the in-group. Then you find yourselves in the unenviable position of having to defend Paul Krugman's record on the economy and asking people to define basic English phrases like "followers" and "huge economic damage".
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Krugman's work stands on its own.
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Yes it does. And I don't buy your quote at ALL. Because in 2005, the fax machine was well on its way out the door.

You really think the rest of us are stupid.

Again, Paul Krugman has some serious academic accomplishments and some guy on the Internet who "drinks a lot" says Krugman is an idiot and he's far smarter.

So poney up boy. Tell us what your qualifications are. Otherwise, I suggest you go back to your scotch or admit that your statement is a hyperbolic absurdity.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Haha. Define "followers".

It's pretty easy to understand what was meant by the "caused huge economic damage to his follower’s pocketbooks". All you have to do is stop tying so hard to deliberately misunderstand it.

It is funny to see the near-religious devotion to so many to 'refuting' or disagreeing with everything Trump says to remain in the in-group. Then you find yourselves in the unenviable position of having to defend Paul Krugman's record on the economy and asking people to define basic English phrases like "followers" and "huge economic damage".
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You do realize you're talking out your ass "Sir Drinks a Lot"?
 
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acbytesla said:
Yes it does. And I don't buy your quote at ALL. Because in 2005, the fax machine was well on its way out the door.
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And you didn't check online? He was wrong - the Internet is still here, still being used, and you can use it to find information.

Tell us what your qualifications are.
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You'll never believe any professional qualifications I mention, which is why you asked. But as far as economic predictions, my record speaks for itself. You can use the search feature and see any economic predictions I have made. There are not many, and absolutely zero examples of the types of spectacular failures for which Mr. Krugman is known. He is really a statistical outlier - his forecasts are so precisely incorrect and often describe the exact opposite of what actually happens. It's as if he's figured out a way to be a broken clock and still not be right twice a day. I can't say that I have that sort of record, which is a qualification in and of itself!
 
Financial journalist contends Trump is manipulating the stock market to benefit himself and his pals:
In a series of articles for Vanity Fair, investigative reporter and author William Cohan has asserted that Donald Trump and his inner circle appear to be manipulating the stock market for their own personal financial gain. Cohan believes this likely or possible insider trading may involve hundreds of millions of dollars, perhaps even billions.
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https://www.salon.com/2020/01/26/ar...markets-for-personal-gain-heres-the-evidence/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-mystery-of-the-trump-chaos-trades
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/the-mystery-of-the-trump-chaos-trades-iranmar-a-lago-edition
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
And you didn't check online? He was wrong - the Internet is still here, still being used, and you can use it to find information.



You'll never believe any professional qualifications I mention, which is why you asked. But as far as economic predictions, my record speaks for itself. You can use the search feature and see any economic predictions I have made. There are not many, and absolutely zero examples of the types of spectacular failures for which Mr. Krugman is known. He is really a statistical outlier - his forecasts are so precisely incorrect and often describe the exact opposite of what actually happens. It's as if he's figured out a way to be a broken clock and still not be right twice a day. I can't say that I have that sort of record, which is a qualification in and of itself!
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:rolleyes: You're right, I probably wouldn't if it wasn't tied to your wikipedia or maybe a LinkedIn page.

It's the equivalent of some anonymous poster saying they are a better QB than Russell Wilson. I'd have to say they have a right to say something like that if they are Joe Montana, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Otherwise, I'm going to be one of those guys in Animal House in the disciplinary committee hearing coughing in ther hand "bull ****".
 
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Aridas said:
Half? I'd suggest that there's a much larger fraction on the "to convict" side, though the "to acquit" side is very, very disproportionately represented.
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Half if you're measuring like Trump's inauguration crowd size estimates.

Boom.
 
Venom said:
Oh I'd love to see Trump write an article critiquing Krugman and exposing his intellectual inferiority.

LMAO
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Trump can't understand Holes litterally couldn't understand holes his Ecconomics like everything else are based on Conspiracy Theories.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Seems to me you've got not idea what an appeal to authority fallacy is all about.

And acbytesla was the one who brought up my 'qualifications' for some reason or another. You just made a stupid comment on my username and otherwise dodged the discussion.
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It's pretty clear why acbytesla asked what your qualifications were considering you'd put forth your opinion that Trump was right when he tweeted
Paul Krugman is a lightweight thinker who doesn’t have a clue. Caused huge economic damage to his follower’s pocketbooks.
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I chose not to join in a discussion on a topic I know little about. If you choose to call that "dodging the discussion", have at it. Makes no difference to me.
 
shemp said:
Recover? Certain elements of it seem to be doing better than ever.
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Nope.
Evangelicals lost about a quarter of their numbers, in absolute terms, in the last two decades.
Self-declared atheists Make up something like 25%, more than doubling their number since 2000.

Christianity might have an outsized impact on the judicial and political level, but they are being marginalized everywhere else. Their pact with Trump will discredit them going forward.
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
And you didn't check online? He was wrong - the Internet is still here, still being used, and you can use it to find information.
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This is from the Snopes link you provided:

Venturing predictions of large-scale socioeconomic trends is part and parcel of what economists do, so for members of that august profession the odds are fairly high that now and again one will be required to eat one’s own words.

Sometimes those words will even be served back to one on a silver platter, as in the case of Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, who thanks to the Internet, will probably never live down a prediction he allegedly once made about the Internet. The quote is so infamous, in fact, that it has turned into a meme often wielded against him by people hoping to discredit other pronouncements Krugman has made
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Looks like Snopes is right about that.

sir drinks-a-lot said:
You'll never believe any professional qualifications I mention, which is why you asked. But as far as economic predictions, my record speaks for itself. You can use the search feature and see any economic predictions I have made. There are not many, and absolutely zero examples of the types of spectacular failures for which Mr. Krugman is known. He is really a statistical outlier - his forecasts are so precisely incorrect and often describe the exact opposite of what actually happens. It's as if he's figured out a way to be a broken clock and still not be right twice a day. I can't say that I have that sort of record, which is a qualification in and of itself!
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What this boils down to is Trump's typical response to any criticism; he makes personal attacks. How dare Krugman have predicted an economic fallout if Trump won and criticize his tariffs, etc?

But Krugman was not alone in that prediction, not by a long shot:

Economists: A Trump win would tank the markets
If GOP nominee pulls off a Brexit-like surprise, Wall Street would face a Brexit-like stock plunge.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-wall-street-effect-markets-230164

The conventional wisdom is that, right off the bat, the stock market would fall precipitously. Simon Johnson, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist, posited that Mr. Trump’s presidency would “likely cause the stock market to crash and plunge the world into recession.” He predicted that Mr. Trump’s “anti-trade policies would cause a sharp slowdown, much like the British are experiencing” after their vote to exit the European Union.
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Professor Johnson’s view may be a bit hyperbolic, but to one degree or another, his pessimism is shared by many economists across Wall Street, from Citigroup to Goldman Sachs. Each cites a different set of reasons the markets will fall if Mr. Trump wins.
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“As we are in the second-longest bull market of all time, and as we approach the eighth year of this economic expansion,” he wrote, “odds are high that whoever the next president is, they will preside over a recession, a bear market and rising debts and deficits.” ( Peter Boockvar, chief market analyst at The Lindsey Group, an economic advisory firm in Washington)
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All above quotes from
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/...pens-to-the-markets-if-donald-trump-wins.html

The majority of economists agreed that a Trump victory would result in an economic turndown.

"The economy is booming in a way that no one had predicted," Sowell said in the clip. "People like Paul Krugman were saying that when Trump gets in, the economy is going to tank. No, the economy hit new highs."
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
ZOMG, AmeriKKKa is so racist, amirite?
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I think there is good evidence for the disproportionate representation of Americans of color on death row. There is good evidence that the American judicial system is resistant to recognising and correcting miscarriages of justice. Disproportionately Americans of color will be innocent people wrongly convicted and sentenced to death.
 
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