2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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plague311 said:
People under 30 don't vote. You might as well poll farm animals for who their favorite candidate is for all the good this information does us.

And no the "Oh but if we energize the young people..." thing won't happen.
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That's not true at all:
The Census found that 36 percent of citizens ages 18-29 reported voting in last year’s midterm elections, jumping 16 percentage points since 2014 (when turnout was 20 percent) and easily surpassing any midterm election since the 1980s. Turnout also increased sharply among adults ages 30-44, rising from 36 percent in 2014 to 49 percent in 2018. While turnout among younger adults still lags that of their elders, last year’s election marked a clear break from the past two decades of anemic turnout among the youngest citizens.
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It may have been a bit of an exaggeration to claim "People under 30 don't vote".
But your very own data shows that voter participation in the midterms increased for all demographics, and participation by people under 44 still lags far behind that in the older demographics.

So, you get a few more BernieBros at the polls, but you also have more middle aged and senior citizen voters who could look at Sanders and shout "Socialist" before voting for Trump.
 
theprestige said:
I'd do the same, except, you know... campaign promises.
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....are generally kept

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...27/9801800/politicians-keep-campaign-promises

That makes Obama about average. In 1984, political scientist Michael Krukones studied presidents from Woodrow Wilson to Jimmy Carter and found that American presidents kept about 75 percent of their campaign promises. Follow-up research from Colleen Shogan studied Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton and found that in their first terms, the two presidents were very successful at getting their major campaign promises enacted, although they struggled in later years.

And it's not just presidents: Members of Congress who mention issues during their campaigns are more likely to introduce bills related to those issues once they're elected, Tracy Sulkin found when she studied congressional campaigns from 1998 through 2002. It didn't matter whether candidates spoke in vague generalities or proposed specific plans — either way, they were more likely to follow through on the issue once in office.
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The Great Zaganza said:
My vote will go the the candidate who promises a Post-Trump Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
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We couldn't even get proper prosecution of the traitors who lead the slavery defenders post-Civil War. Democrats won't have the will to do what they need to do to bring the country back. It will be more "incremental measures" and "we need to reach across the aisle".
 
Belz... said:
36 percent is pitiful.
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Ok.

Segnosaur said:
It may have been a bit of an exaggeration to claim "People under 30 don't vote".
But your very own data shows that voter participation in the midterms increased for all demographics, and participation by people under 44 still lags far behind that in the older demographics.

So, you get a few more BernieBros at the polls, but you also have more middle aged and senior citizen voters who could look at Sanders and shout "Socialist" before voting for Trump.
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LoL Jesus, this place is getting depressing lately.

So, no then? They should stay home? Forget I said anything.
 
plague311 said:
It may have been a bit of an exaggeration to claim "People under 30 don't vote".
But your very own data shows that voter participation in the midterms increased for all demographics, and participation by people under 44 still lags far behind that in the older demographics.

So, you get a few more BernieBros at the polls, but you also have more middle aged and senior citizen voters who could look at Sanders and shout "Socialist" before voting for Trump.
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LoL Jesus, this place is getting depressing lately.

So, no then? They should stay home? Forget I said anything.
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Who should stay home?

I never claimed that anyone should sit out the next election. I hope people of all ages (including the younger voters) turn out in the next election.

I think the point people were trying to make is that: When the democrats are selecting a candidate (using whatever criteria they feel appropriate), don't assume that picking Sanders "because he energizes the base" is a wise decision.

There are no easy answers when it comes to picking a presidental candidate: You want good policies, but you also don't want someone who has great ideas but will lose in the general election. Sanders may or may not be a good pick for the democrats. (I think he has more potential downsides than some of the other candidates, and his supposed "appeal to youth" is not enough to overcome the negatives.)
 
Belz... said:
Nobody said that, dude. We're just saying that it isn't a lot. This should imply that they need to turn out more, not less.
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I never claimed it was a lot, I claimed it was more. That the trend of people under 30 not voting is obviously on the change, dude. Your statement of 36% being pitiful really wasn't relevant. The fact is it was up double digits. :thumbsup:

Segnosaur said:
I think the point people were trying to make is that: When the democrats are selecting a candidate (using whatever criteria they feel appropriate), don't assume that picking Sanders "because he energizes the base" is a wise decision.
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Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I said. I never said Sanders energized the base, or that the turnout was massive, or anything related to it. Joe said that under 30's don't vote, and I merely pointed out that the trend of them not voting is changing. Nothing more, nothing less. It's up double digits in a midterm election, where Bernie had absolutely nothing at all to do with anything since he wasn't running for POTUS then, and that statistic is showing the opposite of what Joe claimed.

Segnosaur said:
There are no easy answers when it comes to picking a presidental candidate: You want good policies, but you also don't want someone who has great ideas but will lose in the general election. Sanders may or may not be a good pick for the democrats. (I think he has more potential downsides than some of the other candidates, and his supposed "appeal to youth" is not enough to overcome the negatives.)
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The information I provided, combined with the national polls, show that your opinion isn't the way he's viewed nationwide. He's toe-to-toe with Biden in almost every relevant poll, and he's more popular among younger people who have shown a double digit increase in recent elections. That age group is getting to the point where they are a relevant voting bloc.
 
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The increased voting participation was sufficient for good results in the 2018 midterms. If that continues in 2020 we should see record voting participation. Given how little Trump won by in 2016 we should be rid of him*.

*Depending on how much Republicans can get away with throwing legitimate voters off the roles or rigging electronic voting machines with no paper trail.
 
Sanders is up by 12 percentage points in the latest New Hampshire poll, with Buttigieg at 17% and Biden and Warren at 14% and 13%. If you compare it to the December poll, it looks like Bernie's getting most of the late deciders; while he is up 14 percentage points in the last month, most of the other contenders have stayed relatively stable.

Bernie is getting some flak for comments he made in the 1970s, referring to workers as slaves.

As the leading member of a self-described “radical political party” in the 1970s, Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people, according to archival interviews obtained by The Daily Beast. In one 1976 conversation, Sanders told a local newspaper that the sale of a privately held mining company by its founders harkened back to “the days of slavery, when black people were sold to different owners without their consent,” and compared the service economy to chattel slavery.
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Of course referring to workers as "wage slaves" has long been part of the rhetoric of the far Left, but try explaining that to the woke folk.
 
plague311 said:
I never claimed it was a lot, I claimed it was more. That the trend of people under 30 not voting is obviously on the change, dude. Your statement of 36% being pitiful really wasn't relevant. The fact is it was up double digits. :thumbsup:
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It's very encouraging, yes. But 36% is still pitiful. And it wasn't irrelevant: it's my opinion that it's pretty damned bad, even if it's better than before. It should be much higher.
 
Belz... said:
I'm not even sure you understand how humour works.
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A lot of humor works at someone else's expense. For example:

Q. How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

A. That's not funny!

Same thing here.

Trump: Will Sleepy Joe stumble across the finish line?

Democrats: That's not funny!
 
Aridas said:
To add to that...





Thanks. And yeah, if it's O'Keefe, enough said.

In other news...

Restoring Integrity and Competence to Government After Trump

Warren Plan. Reminds me again about why I support her as firmly as I do.
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She is my choice by a country mile for the same reason.

She has most of the policies I favor but more importantly she has the best path to getting them done. Her first priority is a suite of anti-corruption measures. Restoring Congressional staff and offices so lobbyists aren't providing all the data and writing the actual bills. A whole host of well thought out things.

And she actually recognizes that these things are regulating capitalism. Bernie lost a lot of cred in my eyes when his speech defending socialism had no, you know, socialism in it.
 
tyr_13 said:
She is my choice by a country mile for the same reason.

She has most of the policies I favor but more importantly she has the best path to getting them done. Her first priority is a suite of anti-corruption measures. Restoring Congressional staff and offices so lobbyists aren't providing all the data and writing the actual bills. A whole host of well thought out things.

And she actually recognizes that these things are regulating capitalism. Bernie lost a lot of cred in my eyes when his speech defending socialism had no, you know, socialism in it.
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How much of her plan depends on Congress to pass bills for her to sign?
 
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Second Comrade Bernie staffer says Republicans should be put in gulags, and other fascinating stuff:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/second...s_3211013.html
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SezMe said:
Project Veritas. James O'Keefe.

'Nuff said.
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Explains a lot, doesn't it?

ETA:

Donald Trump’s paid campaign staffers on their personal social media accounts have declared that Muslims are unfit to be U.S. citizens, ridiculed Mexican accents, called for Secretary of State John F. Kerry to be hanged and stated their readiness for a possible civil war, according to a review by the Associated Press of their postings.
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https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-staff-online-20160822-snap-story.html
 
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