2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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JoeMorgue said:
Well... yeah. Because it was.

But again, and every time I bring this up people stare at me like I just tried to explain string theory to a dog, the reason major social programs work in other countries and not in America is that in other countries there isn't a sizable, demographically significant percentage of the population who doesn't want them to work.

The same force fighting the social program in America are the same ones that are going to make it sure it doesn't work when it happens.

"America is the only industrialized nation without so and so" as if this is some grand mystery when the answer is always "Because America is the only industrialized nation that doesn't want it."
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The great gains of the Sixties were not a result of the radical activism of the last few years of the decade.
 
nationwide poll of 4,000+ voters on how they would vote today:

Bernie Sanders 52% to Trump 43%, the widest margin of the Democratic candidates.

There's been enough smoke there to suggest that Sanders is very competitive in a general election.
 
Venom said:
nationwide poll of 4,000+ voters on how they would vote today:

Bernie Sanders 52% to Trump 43%, the widest margin of the Democratic candidates.

There's been enough smoke there to suggest that Sanders is very competitive in a general election.
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It doesn’t count because ... reasons. Oh, I know, They will throw all kinds of slurs and scare tactics at him. Best go for the safe bet...Joe Biden. He’s the No Malrkey candidate. They won’t find any dirt on him at all!
 
Venom said:
nationwide poll of 4,000+ voters on how they would vote today:

Bernie Sanders 52% to Trump 43%, the widest margin of the Democratic candidates.

There's been enough smoke there to suggest that Sanders is very competitive in a general election.
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To add to that...

On Day Trump Impeachment Trial Begins, 41 Weeks till Election Day, Trump Loses to Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Sanders, Warren, & Yang.

At this hour, in an election "today," with tensions high and vitriol flying, the contest stands:
* Bernie Sanders 52%, Trump 43%, Democrat wins by 9.
* Joe Biden 50%, Trump 43%, Democrat wins by 7.
* Mike Bloomberg 49%, Trump 42%, Republican-turned Democrat New Yorker defeats Democrat-turned Republican New Yorker by 7.
* Elizabeth Warren 48%, Trump 45%, Democrat wins by 3.
* Pete Buttigieg 47%, Trump 44%, Democrat wins by 3.
* Andrew Yang 46%, Trump 44%, Democrat leads by 2, within the theoretical sampling error.
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SezMe said:
Project Veritas. James O'Keefe.

'Nuff said.
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Thanks. And yeah, if it's O'Keefe, enough said.

In other news...

Restoring Integrity and Competence to Government After Trump

Warren Plan. Reminds me again about why I support her as firmly as I do.
 
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Anybody else get the sense that Pelosi's delay on submitting the articles of impeachment to the Senate has worked out quite badly for Warren, Sanders, and Klobuchar (and well for Biden and Buttigieg)? Here we are with less than two weeks to go to Iowa and the senators in the race are all stuck in DC for an exercise.
 
Brainster said:
Anybody else get the sense that Pelosi's delay on submitting the articles of impeachment to the Senate has worked out quite badly for Warren, Sanders, and Klobuchar (and well for Biden and Buttigieg)?
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Maybe. Pelosi's tactic was very effective at what it was actually realistically intended to do, either way, and that's what matters.

Brainster said:
Here we are with less than two weeks to go to Iowa and the senators in the race are all stuck in DC for an exercise.
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:rolleyes:

Trump has earned removal many times over. The only reason that it might at all qualify as an "exercise" is the GOP leadership's complete loss of anything remotely resembling honor, patriotism, lawfulness, and morals.

Incidentally, you're hardly the first Republican to try to get Democrats to turn on Pelosi because she's finally got overwhelming justification and support for impeachment and removal and is doing the best she can to actually make that happen.
 
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theprestige said:
Ad hom.

Audio is audio, no matter who recorded it.
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The man is famous precisely because he deceptively edited video recordings to present falsehood as truth.

I'm pretty sure even a Bob-level skeptic would accept this guy's presentations with a generous handful of salt.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The man is famous precisely because he deceptively edited video recordings to present falsehood as truth.

I'm pretty sure even a Bob-level skeptic would accept this guy's presentations with a generous handful of salt.
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Veritas method. Ask leading questions under false pretenses to low level employees and then deceptively cut together footage to make it appear very sinister. From the people that brought you the footage revealing Planned Parenthood is in the business of parting out dead babies for profit. Seems legit.

I could totally believe that a low level Bernie campaign staffer is an open Marxist or Socialist. So what, they get this guy in a bar and he mouths off about Nazis. Who cares?

I imagine that this "smoking gun" footage will be very popular in exactly the crowd of people who would never vote for Bernie anyway. The Venn diagram of Veritas watching people and potential Bernie voters does not overlap.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
The man is famous precisely because he deceptively edits video recordings to present falsehood as truth.

I'm pretty sure even a Bob-level skeptic would accept this guy's presentations with a generous handful of salt.
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FTFY. He continues to do so, at last check.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The man is famous precisely because he deceptively edited video recordings to present falsehood as truth.
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That is correct. I was a long-time commenter at a conservative blog, and when O'Keefe made his big splash against ACORN, most of the commenters there actually believed that O'Keefe had gone to Planned Parenthood centers dressed as Huggy Bear the pimp. In truth, that was how he dressed for interviews where he discussed the edited tapes.

That's the idea behind mudslinging - if enough of the mud sticks, it doesn't matter what the truth is.
 
Forbes Under 30 Voter Survey is out. Highlights:

Senator Bernie Sanders remains the strong favorite among the 18- to 29-year-old electorate, with 32% support among likely Democratic voters

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Perhaps more surprising: the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor Pete Buttigieg, the youngest candidate, has practically no support among Millennials or Generation Z. He generates just over 3% support among likely Democratic primary voters under 30, which places him in a virtual tie at the absolute bottom

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In a head-to-head among all young voters, Sanders beats President Trump 58% to 34%, versus 51% to 35% for Biden, 51% to 36% for Warren and 50% to 34% for Bloomberg. Buttigieg again fares relatively poorly, polling ahead of Trump 47% to 35%.
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None of it is particularly shocking and it's pretty much a rinse/repeat of last year. Bernie is popular, probably won't get the nom, and people under 30 are more liberal. According to the article, despite being way more diverse they favor 70+ yo white guys still.
 
People under 30 don't vote. You might as well poll farm animals for who their favorite candidate is for all the good this information does us.

And no the "Oh but if we energize the young people..." thing won't happen.
 
JoeMorgue said:
People under 30 don't vote. You might as well poll farm animals for who their favorite candidate is for all the good this information does us.

And no the "Oh but if we energize the young people..." thing won't happen.
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That's not true at all:

The Census found that 36 percent of citizens ages 18-29 reported voting in last year’s midterm elections, jumping 16 percentage points since 2014 (when turnout was 20 percent) and easily surpassing any midterm election since the 1980s. Turnout also increased sharply among adults ages 30-44, rising from 36 percent in 2014 to 49 percent in 2018. While turnout among younger adults still lags that of their elders, last year’s election marked a clear break from the past two decades of anemic turnout among the youngest citizens.
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In fact, this election cycle will also be the first Presidential election with the Parkland kids involved, who have been extremely vocal and political.

Perhaps you're right, but this is definitely evidence that trend is going in the exact opposite direction.
 
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