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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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plague311 said:
If it's one thing I certainly can say after catching up this morning, it's that this Parnas fellow certainly seems to have some issues with the truth. Trump seems to be able to find people like that without a problem.
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Not just Trump. There are pictures of a whole lot of GOP politicians with Parnas.*** The result is that GOP politicians are either hanging out with a lying sleazebag, or he's telling the truth.

***ETA: And a large number of these politicians have previously denied knowing him, but that's another story. ("Oh, I guess I was at the same function of him once. I take a lot of pictures with people." Yeah? He's another picture of you with him at another place. And a third....)
 
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I wonder if this means Hyde will have to explain how he knew all of those things to the FBI? If so, this could be a whole new can of worms.
 
Upchurch said:
It will spark a negative reaction from Trump.
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Hmmm. I thought trolling only referred to statements/actions that were made specifically to draw a reaction, as opposed to something where the reaction is a side effect.
 
Meadmaker said:
Hmmm. I thought trolling only referred to statements/actions that were made specifically to draw a reaction, as opposed to something where the reaction is a side effect.
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It's slang. It doesn't necessarily have a single authoritative definition, which is why paying attention to context is helpful sussing out meaning when reading.

Does it matter? Do we need to plumb the etymological depths of Squeegee's statement in order to understand his/her intent? The Ukraine, in this instance, was reluctant to succumb to Trump's blackmail but was more than ready to investigate the more concrete charges of his criminality. Squeegee finds that to be a beautiful thing. I find it to be a nice act of karma.
 
Upchurch said:
It's slang. It doesn't necessarily have a single authoritative definition, which is why paying attention to context is helpful sussing out meaning when reading.

Does it matter? Do we need to plumb the etymological depths of Squeegee's statement in order to understand his/her intent? The Ukraine, in this instance, was reluctant to succumb to Trump's blackmail but was more than ready to investigate the more concrete charges of his criminality. Squeegee finds that to be a beautiful thing. I find it to be a nice act of karma.
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Can't argue with that.

These allegations, if confirmed, could be a big deal.

They could even be a wolf.


(Ok. That last line was trolling. Seriously, though, the surveillance allegations are a big deal, but only if you actually link them to Trump.)
 
plague311 said:
Sounds like a bit of a governmental slap fest. It does lay out a pretty clear case of breaking the law.

Despite the pessimism, I see this as getting harder and harder to defend. This has to be getting old for some of the Republicans. Having to answer to this presidents repeated issues of staying within the law.

Has anything like this ever happened before?
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It's funny...no actually not funny you say this. I have thought this way about Trump since long before he was elected. Now most polticians have always seen right through him. They support him out of political calculations. They defend him because they think they are damned if they don't.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Impoundment is the term to describe when a president doesn't spend money allocated by Congress. And for most of the history of the US it was perfectly legal to do so.

Although this case isn't actually impoundment. The money was spent, just not on the schedule demanded by the legislation. The government isn't supposed to do that, but to be honest, that's really not particularly unique. You can find cases in every administration where the government didn't follow the law as written. Sometimes those failures are trivial, sometimes not so much, but it's not exactly new territory.
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So? This law has been on the books a nice before Trump's bone spurs magically went away.

During this *illegal* impoundment, a trio of Trump's own closest people in the Administration tried an 'intervention' to get Trump to see the risk and release the aid, but to no avail. And there were alarmed communications from the Defense Dep't about this being illegal. There was more than enough concern and warnings going around for this to have been adequately known by Trump that it was against the law to do so. Yet he stubbornly plowed ahead. No excuse here.
 
Upchurch said:
It's slang. It doesn't necessarily have a single authoritative definition, which is why paying attention to context is helpful sussing out meaning when reading.

Does it matter? Do we need to plumb the etymological depths of Squeegee's statement in order to understand his/her intent? The Ukraine, in this instance, was reluctant to succumb to Trump's blackmail but was more than ready to investigate the more concrete charges of his criminality. Squeegee finds that to be a beautiful thing. I find it to be a nice act of karma.
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And I derive some measure of schadenfreude.
 
Meadmaker said:
Can't argue with that.

These allegations, if confirmed, could be a big deal.

They could even be a wolf.


(Ok. That last line was trolling. Seriously, though, the surveillance allegations are a big deal, but only if you actually link them to Trump.)
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It doesn't necessarily have to be "linked" to Trump in the way I presume you mean it. Once a conspiracy is entered into, any act committed in the furtherance of that conspiracy has all participants culpable. Remember, in the infamous July 25 call, Trump said to Zelensky of Yovanovich, "She's going to go through some things."
 
Chief Justice Roberts and all 100 Senators have been formally sworn in. It's as "started" as it's ever gonna start.

Now to see how long it lasts.
 
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