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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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Stacyhs said:
Agreed. It's not that they wanted TRUMP, they didn't want Hillary and they do want this country divided and in chaos. They've succeeded beautifully.
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They didn't want Trump initially, but Putin is certainly all-in behind Trump now. He is the perfect tool to weaken the west.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I wonder if the Democrats can get away with filibustering their presentation? Is there a way to cut it off? Will McConnell neglect to include a time limit in the trial rules? Will he try but lose the 51 votes he needs to pass the rules?



It should be interesting.
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What they should do is start another impeachment investigation and if sufficient evidence is provided pass the next impeachment to the senate . They should be able to manage an impeachment a month leading up to November.
 
Darat said:
What they should do is start another impeachment investigation and if sufficient evidence is provided pass the next impeachment to the senate . They should be able to manage an impeachment a month leading up to November.
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I suspect this is just the first of a rolling series of impeachments, each for yet another serious crime Trump has already committed, or will go on to commit shortly if he is exonerated. McConnell will have to keep rallying his loyalists time and again to dismiss these, and each one will get news sound-bites. It could go on for some months, especially if, each time, Congress delays sending the articles due to negotiations for a "fair trial". Trump, of course, will be apoplectic, which won't help his demeanor in the election process.

Incidentally, all the Dems need to do next would be refuse to debate Trump in the lead-up to November. Not give him the oxygen of confronting them with his boorish behaviour like he did to Hillary. It's what he lives for...is living for. The Dems should just ignore and walk right round him.
 
Stacyhs said:
Agreed. It's not that they wanted TRUMP, they didn't want Hillary and they do want this country divided and in chaos. They've succeeded beautifully.
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I think Putin and his top brass primarily wanted Clinton to lose. I think they were cautiously encouraged by Trump's statements about conditional assistance to NATO allies. Putin was strongly critical of the U.S. invasion of Iraq during the Bush presidency and American involvement in the fall of Gaddafi during Obama's. Clinton was at the helm of U.S. foreign policy at the time and Putin reportedly obsessed over the death of Gaddafi, bringing it up in Kremlin meetings and re-watching footage of his capture. He no doubt saw Clinton and leaders like her as a threat to the stability of his regime.

So I think there was an element of that going on as well, not just Cold War shenanigans.
 
Meadmaker said:
I want to amplify on what I said earlier, about the revelations about Russian Burisma hacking is insignificant. As played out here, it took me a while to even figure out why anyone thought they might be significant.

They hack everyone they can. That's what they do. Any information is good information. It's not like they were doing this at the behest of Donald Trump. (Or if they were, no one has been caught yet, and they've surely tried.)

So, why do they do it? I can't be certain, because I haven't been invited to the secret Kremlin meetings. It's too bad. I hear from very reliable sources that they provide some awesome hookers that will do anything at all. That comes from unimpeachable sources, but I digress. Here's why I think the Russians like Donald Trump and do things to help him.

They like him, because you hate him.

They aren't allies with Donald Trump. They just know that he is such a divisive character that with him in power, the country will be deeply divided. The Russians want that. On a related note, they probably like the fact that the presence of such a buffoon in the White House will only hurt America's standing in the world.

When they did their disinformation fake news social media blitz of 2016 I wonder if they even thought he would be elected, or if they just wanted to stir up division and animosity toward President Hillary Clinton. Was the idea that he could actually win something that was even in their vision, or were they as surprised as the rest of us? I don't know.

So, the fact that they are willing to dish dirt on Trump opponents probably means that they think having Trump in the White House is a good thing, for Russia. I suppose that's marginally significant, as long as people don't overplay it. Oops......too late.


Maybe there's something in those new documents. At the very least, Giulliani and his friends were really creepy. Maybe there's some there there, this time.
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In these topsy-turvy times it's hard to stay relevant.
 
The Parnas Material shows Trump having Rudi run a gang of thugs worse than the Watergate burglars: they were running surveillance on a US Ambassador, searching for her home and times when she would be unprotected.
And Rudi states repeatedly that he has full authority from Trump.

Either Guiliani needs to go to prison, or Trump needs to be removed from Office - or preferably both.
 
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The Parnas Material shows Trump having Rudi run a gang of thugs worse than the Watergate burglars: they were running surveillance on a US Ambassador, searching for her home and times when she would be unprotected.
And Rudi states repeatedly that he has full authority from Trump.

Either Guiliani needs to go to prison, for Trump needs to be removed from Office - or preferably both.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The Parnas Material shows Trump having Rudi run a gang of thugs worse than the Watergate burglars: they were running surveillance on a US Ambassador, searching for her home and times when she would be unprotected.
And Rudi states repeatedly that he has full authority from Trump.

Either Guiliani needs to go to prison, or Trump needs to be removed from Office - or preferably both.
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I'm sure it's something that all Presidents do - and Obama did it far worse :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/lev-parnas-house-documents/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/13/giu...aine-material-ahead-of-trump-impeachment.html

http://www.startribune.com/democrats-release-new-documents-on-eve-of-impeachment-trial/566986772/

This is going to turn out like the Russian interference, Trump throws all his flunkies under the bus and pretends he had nothing to do with anything.
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The assassination worked for a week. What other military action could divert attention.
 
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Elagabalus said:
In these topsy-turvy times it's hard to stay relevant.
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Or present faux-balance.

Putin is bending over backwards to help Trump. Trump is bending over backwards to help Putin. And, I mean, sure, Trump asked a different foreign country to help dig up dirt on his current political rival. And sure, Trump asked Russia to dig up dirt on a different political rival. And more sure, we only know about one of those because of a whistleblower. That doesn’t, in any way, imply that Trump might have asked Russia to also dig up dirt on his current political rival, even though we have reports that they tried to do so.

Clearly, Trump has no responsibility in any of it. There are very fine people, on both sides.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Last chance for a couple of them like Romney to get back at Trump.
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Okay so let's start with our baseline of 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, and 2 Independents who generally caucus with the Democrats, so 53 to 47.

We're not gonna get the 66 votes needing to convict Trump. Not gonna happen.

But getting enough old school, nothing left to lose, even now still got "Party creed" left to spare to get a symbolic (much as I hate that kind of win) 51-49 simple majority? Enough to push the narrative to "See? Even most of Congress wants Trump gone?"

Maybe. Just maybe. Not likely, hell if anything a few Democrats voting against seems way more likely then any Republicans voting for it from where it stands now, remember the Democrats didn't get everyone of their people onboard with it in the House while the Republicans did and I'll have to to back and dig up the cites but I think a couple of Democratic Senators have already made statements that sound an awful lot like "Don't plan to vote guilty."...

... but again a tip of a toe into the waters of "possible enough to discuss without basically just writing political fan fiction"
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
The Parnas Material shows Trump having Rudi run a gang of thugs worse than the Watergate burglars: they were running surveillance on a US Ambassador, searching for her home and times when she would be unprotected.
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I think you left off the punchlines, in response to “If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces.”

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Yeah, we are in "Tailor of Panama" territory now, only everyone is an idiot, crazy, or both.
 
Trump was all about Putin before Trump was even nominated, unlike all other candidates. Putin had every reason to support Trump in addition to general trouble making.
 
varwoche said:
Trump was all about Putin before Trump was even nominated, unlike all other candidates. Putin had every reason to support Trump in addition to general trouble making.
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Yeah, that whole withdrawal from NATO thing kind of came out of left field at the time, and now we know why.
 
Upchurch said:
Or present faux-balance.

Putin is bending over backwards to help Trump. Trump is bending over backwards forwards to help Putin. And, I mean, sure, Trump asked a different foreign country to help dig up dirt on his current political rival. And sure, Trump asked Russia to dig up dirt on a different political rival. And more sure, we only know about one of those because of a whistleblower. That doesn’t, in any way, imply that Trump might have asked Russia to also dig up dirt on his current political rival, even though we have reports that they tried to do so.

Clearly, Trump has no responsibility in any of it. There are very fine people, on both sides.
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Trump is definitely a bottom.
 
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