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I use Edge all the time.... to download Chrome on new PC installs.

It does have one other purpose. I normally use Chrome, but it stores cookies. At times I want to see what the Internet looks like without those cookies, so I use Edge for that.

In other words I may want to see what this forum looks like without being logged on. And I do not want to log off. So I use Edge.
 
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It does have one other purpose. I normally use Chrome, but stores cookies. At times I want to see what the Internet looks like without those cookies, so I use Edge for that.

In other words I may want to see what this forum looks like without being logged on. And I do not want to log off. So I use Edge.

Well we don't have Firefox as part of our normal software roll out, so yeah if, for instance, a webpage isn't coming up or rendering properly or some plugin isn't working or whatnot I'll often copy paste the URL into Edge just to see if it comes up in that in basic "Narrow it down to the user, software, or hardware as soon as possible" universal law of troubleshooting.

But again even that's different from functionally using it as a browser for work.
 
I'd say that's just about where I'd put the number. Older people that aren't really familiar with how to get a new browser, or how to get their bookmarks setup. Too bad that site doesn't break it down by age to confirm my theory.

I don't personally know anyone that uses Edge on a regular basis. As in, for anything more than Joe and I have said.

ETA: I'm actually more shocked that Firefox has dropped so much. A decade ago and I'd guess they were in the 40-50% range.


Yeah, I guess the sheeple just want to use Chrome so Google can keep an eye on them.
 
Windows 7 goes End of Life on Tuesday 14JAN2020. No more updates and patches unless you've paid for the corporate extension.

I take it everyone is prepared?
A survey turned up exactly one win7 machine. It's a test platform so is burnable. Cry me a river.
 

Old, old Dell laptops. I can fire one up later to check the stats but it takes forever. I think the fan is dying in one of them.

I do donate computers to charity. I had a bunch of 2011 Mac's that someone gave me when they upgraded for me to destroy. I got new hard drives, replaced it and donated them. They were worth it though. These would be more troublesome than beneficial I think.

Yeah, I guess the sheeple just want to use Chrome so Google can keep an eye on them.

LoL I'd assume the majority of American's just don't really care. Those would be people like me. I take extremely basic precautions to protect my security. I use 1.1.1.1 for my home DNS, I've built my own VPN system, but other than that I just can't be bothered. I follow the same rule on the internet as I do if I'm on-site at a customers office. Operate like there's a camera on you.
 
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LoL who the **** uses Edge?
On my corporate machine, where I have no rights to change fricking anything, I have to use both IE and Edge because certain of our apps work with one but not the other. No, I have no idea either.


On the more general Windows front, all the Windows machines in my extended family are now upgraded to 10 except for one ancient laptop that is still running Vista for legacy reasons. It never goes online.
 
Old, old Dell laptops. I can fire one up later to check the stats but it takes forever. I think the fan is dying in one of them.

I do donate computers to charity. I had a bunch of 2011 Mac's that someone gave me when they upgraded for me to destroy. I got new hard drives, replaced it and donated them. They were worth it though. These would be more troublesome than beneficial I think.


Basically, what decides if old hardware can smoothly run a modern, enduser-directed desktop Linux distribution like Mint or Ubuntu are two things:
  • Processor power: Rule of thumb here is that every 64-bit Intel CPU will be ok, that means basically anything younger than a dozen years.
  • Memory: This is the bottleneck mainly due to the horrible design of modern websites with their tons of crap libraries embedded etc. 2GB of RAM is ok but you will run into swap occasionally. 3GB are sufficient. Of course memory for old machines is dirt cheap.
And I'm talking really smoothly here. I myself have recently equipped my ancient X30 ThinkPad (built 2003, some single core Pentium with 1.2 Ghz, 512 MB RAM) with a slim Linux and it is snappier than it ever was with the original Windows 2000. Everything including complex programs like GIMP works perfectly - until you visit the commercial 2020 web. That kills it.
 
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I use Firefox. I have no idea if it's better or worse, just a force of habit I guess. It's what "I've always clicked on" to get on the internet. Well, I shouldn't say always. I used Chrome years ago (and Netscape back when that was a thing). I have no idea why I switched. Probably some pretentious IT guy convinced me Firefox was a better option.
 
On my corporate machine, where I have no rights to change fricking anything, I have to use both IE and Edge because certain of our apps work with one but not the other. No, I have no idea either.
Yes, that's my reason as well. Some apps only work in Edge, some only in IE, and some only in Chrome.
 
Wow! Yesterday was Tuesday and Bam! Just like that I had an application crash and lost the file I was working on!
On the Win10 machine, the old Win7 is doing just fine.
 
For anyone finally embracing Windows 10, the start menu is an abomination, and can be replaced by this:

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

I used Classic Shell from the first day I tried Windows 10 (back when it first released), and even though I rarely use Windows at all, it makes the experience at least tolerable. (I don't even know how regular users can stomach that nasty default start menu.)
 
For anyone finally embracing Windows 10, the start menu is an abomination, and can be replaced by this:

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

I used Classic Shell from the first day I tried Windows 10 (back when it first released), and even though I rarely use Windows at all, it makes the experience at least tolerable. (I don't even know how regular users can stomach that nasty default start menu.)

I actually really like the Windows 10 start menu. Mostly because the search bar is all I use. I never look for control panel, or bounce around with multiple clicks. I type "update" in the bar and I get windows updates. People don't like the bar though too, I hear a lot of complaints about it. I do enjoy the double click nature of the start menu now too, if you do have to go navigating.

It's saved me a lot of questions around the office because it's fairly newbie friendly.
 
For anyone finally embracing Windows 10, the start menu is an abomination, and can be replaced by this:

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

I used Classic Shell from the first day I tried Windows 10 (back when it first released), and even though I rarely use Windows at all, it makes the experience at least tolerable. (I don't even know how regular users can stomach that nasty default start menu.)

I was an XP holdout. I was a Win7 holdout.

I don't mind the Win10 Start Menu. But I don't use the start menu much anyway.

Discussions about user interfaces and experience are interesting to me. But they spiral so quickly into hate speech that I generally don't see the point. Why is it important for you to disparage people who don't mind the Win10 start menu?
 
I actually really like the Windows 10 start menu. Mostly because the search bar is all I use. I never look for control panel, or bounce around with multiple clicks. I type "update" in the bar and I get windows updates. People don't like the bar though too, I hear a lot of complaints about it. I do enjoy the double click nature of the start menu now too, if you do have to go navigating.

It's saved me a lot of questions around the office because it's fairly newbie friendly.
Ditto on the search bar. It's all I use in 7, too. While bouncing around the web requires a lot of mousing, most of what I do benefits greatly from keeping my hands on the keyboard as much as possible. If I need to bring up notepad, it's windows button, type in "notepad," press enter and done...it's much, much faster than it sounds. ;)
 

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