New telepathy test, the sequel.

[Michel H]

Michel H,

Did it never occur to you that you posted this...



Identically in two locations which is likely to trigger spam detection? Really? You never thought of that?

No, I believe posting exactly identical questions in two different categories is not forbidden on Yahoo Answers, I have done it several times (for example in the Parapsychology and Psychology categories). You can check this yourself if you want (like any other member of this forum).

 

[JayUtah]

I don't think I have to choose one of these two alternatives.

You're just being asked to rank these two alternatives in order of your estimate of their likelihood. It's not really that hard a task. But it forces you to consider whether you really are as important as you seem to believe you are, and whether your estimates of what correlates with what else really have any basis in evidence.

 

[phunk]

JayUtah is, in my estimation, the finest example of a ISF member that one could ask for. He speaks authoritatively, from decades of study and experience in the sciences. He engages with the topic of the thread, points out mistakes in the reasoning of others, and offers helpful guidance in addressing those flaws.

Ditto, on this and on several other forums I've seen him on for more than a decade.

 

[Michel H]

You're just being asked to rank these two alternatives in order of your estimate of their likelihood. It's not really that hard a task. But it forces you to consider whether you really are as important as you seem to believe you are, and whether your estimates of what correlates with what else really have any basis in evidence.

I wouldn't want to describe myself as important to the world, as long I have not seen further or better evidence that such a presumptuous statement is really true, this would seem pretentious to me.

However, at the same time, I believe that the world is not run well, and that the current U.S. president has an unfortunate tendency to aggravate things, and to solve (almost) nothing, perhaps because of some mental disease, maybe related to telepathy (who knows?).

If I was the president-dictator of the world (which of course I am not), I believe I could bring great improvements. One of the first orders I would issue would probably be a banning of all nuclear weapons for all countries, nuclear energy should be used for energy production (power plants) and medicine mostly, not to kill people on a massive scale, this should really be a thing of the past.

I sometimes try to put some of these ideas in my telepathy tests, otherwise they would be too boring and repetitive.

 

[JayUtah]

I wouldn't...

None of this manifesto has the slightest to do with the question.

You seem to think a surprising amount of what you observe (at least at Yahoo) is somehow about you. Do you think it's more likely that you are so objectively noteworthy (Loss Leader used the U.S. President as a yardstick) as to seem to get such a high degree of attention in places like Yahoo? Or is it more likely that you are seeing "patterns" that don't exist and reading meaning into things that aren't there? Just tell me which you think is more likely. In considering your answer, please consider that a lot of what you attempt to report is mere speculation, often by your own admission. Is rampant speculation a position from which you feel confident you are interpreting events correctly?

 

[Michel H]

You seem to think a surprising amount of what you observe (at least at Yahoo) is somehow about you.

I wouldn't say really about me, perhaps more related to me, and to my alleged telepathic influence and waves, in the specialized Alternative category only. Look for example at the latest question:

Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis? If so what was your scariest experience?
... here is my experience with it:

The most common demon I see is like a man with an undersized head. He usually is the one that appears most nights. One night I saw my mom standing over my bed instead of him, she was holding up an ax. She was telling me to get up, but of course, I could not move. She leaned closer to me and I got to see the face really well. It was like one of those jumpscare skeletons that pop up out of nowhere. She swung her ax up and plunged it into my chest. Then she whispered, 'not yet' and it was all over.

Links: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20200109215752AAFEm5h , https://answers.yahoo.com/dir/index?sid=396547171.
All of this has to be interpreted and taken with a big grain of salt, of course.

In considering your answer, please consider that a lot of what you attempt to report is mere speculation, often by your own admission. Is rampant speculation a position from which you feel confident you are interpreting events correctly?

It seems to me you are being a little unfair here, because there is really clear evidence:

... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!

(and similar evidence, don't want to repeat everything here, calwaterbear's answer was correct). You might also want to take a look at the comment by YourTherapist (who later became an anonymous member of Yahoo Answers) here: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170115225056AAi8xhG. There is really not room for much interpretation, even if you really would love to see a lot of room for interpretation (but this is of course irrelevant).

 

[JayUtah]

I wouldn't say really about me, perhaps more related to me, and to my alleged telepathic influence and waves...

Weasel words.

All of this has to be interpreted and taken with a big grain of salt, of course.

That's the point of the question. Have you considered that all the focus you say is "related to you" may be overly aggressive or fanciful interpretation? Remember, I asked you to consider that you speculate a lot. Wouldn't rampant speculation be precisely that grain of salt?

It seems to me you are being a little unfair here, because there is really clear evidence.

No, that's a claim. Do you understand the difference between evidence and what some anonymous guy on the Internet says? Have you internalized the highly-evidenced conclusion that you really can't tell when people aren't being serious?

No, I'm not being unfair. I'm asking you to soberly introspect and determine to what extent you're just speculating or applying wishful interpretations, and then opine whether this is a more parsimonious conclusion that statements you repeat that come off as delusions of grandeur.

 

[abaddon]

No, I believe posting exactly identical questions in two different categories is not forbidden on Yahoo Answers,

Great. Since I made no such claim, go ask whoever it is you think might have made such a claim. Otherwise, I am uninterested in your responses to invented answers about questions I never asked.

Very carefully, do you consider it in any way likely that copy pasting the very same text in more than one location might trigger a spam defense? Yes or no?

I have done it several times (for example in the Parapsychology and Psychology categories).

So you really are a spam source. OK. Glad you made that clear.

You can check this yourself if you want (like any other member of this forum).

Nope. I have an aversion to SPAM.

If you wish to mount a defense against your actual spamming, providing an example of your spamming is not a clever move.

The solution is, of course, simple. STOP SPAMMING.

 

[Michel H]

Great. Since I made no such claim, go ask whoever it is you think might have made such a claim. Otherwise, I am uninterested in your responses to invented answers about questions I never asked.

Very carefully, do you consider it in any way likely that copy pasting the very same text in more than one location might trigger a spam defense? Yes or no?

So you really are a spam source. OK. Glad you made that clear.

Nope. I have an aversion to SPAM.

If you wish to mount a defense against your actual spamming, providing an example of your spamming is not a clever move.

The solution is, of course, simple. STOP SPAMMING.

I don't know what leads you to think that I am "spamming" Yahoo Answers.

Do you think that any parapsychology research is spamming? I am always trying to be respectful with other Yahoo members, and also with Yahoo (when possible, Yahoo does some good things).

Posting the same questions in different categories is sometimes useful to get more answers (and more quickly). No lack of respect is implied.

 

[abaddon]

I don't know what leads you to think that I am "spamming" Yahoo Answers.

I never claimed you were. Quit making crap up.

What I actually asked was that could you comprehend that if you copy paste the same thing in more than one place, it might trigger a spam filter.

Try reading what is written for a change.

Do you think that any parapsychology research is spamming?

Nope. That would be stupid. Copy pasting posts however, will trigger most spam filters. And that is what you did.

I am always trying to be respectful with other Yahoo members, and also with Yahoo (when possible, Yahoo does some good things).

Irrelevant. You claim Yahoo is targeting you, only you. It matters not one whit how nice they may otherwise be to anyone else.

All I can tell you is that I have admin roles on buckets of fora in the past and what you did would be immediately flagged as spam. Your internet naivete is no excuse. Nor is it evidence for Yahoo out to get you. It is merely evidence that you are a spammer. More than one post of identical content is an automatic flag. I have no idea what planet you live on, but on earth, when copy pasta is detected, red flags are hung out all over the place for a potential spammer.

Posting the same questions in different categories is sometimes useful to get more answers (and more quickly). No lack of respect is implied.

Blatant copypasta will immediately trigger spam filters. You are not stupid. You must understand why it must be so.

Or perhaps you are so naive that you really don't. I don't believe that for a second. You are not stupid.

 

[Michel H]

All I can tell you is that I have admin roles on buckets of fora in the past and what you did would be immediately flagged as spam.

I believe you, but there is a difference between a forum and Yahoo Answers. On Yahoo Answers, it may be useful to sometimes post exactly identical questions in two different categories. The utility of such behavior in a forum, however, is far less obvious.

 

[Pixel42]

I wouldn't say really about me, perhaps more related to me, and to my alleged telepathic influence and waves, in the specialized Alternative category only. Look for example at the latest question:

Sorry, of what are saying this question is an example? It describes a typical sleep paralysis experience, the kind that people have been having for millennia.

 

[JayUtah]

[T]here is a difference between a forum and Yahoo Answers.

There is a difference between this forum and Yahoo Answers. Probably the biggest difference is that this forum isn't the help line for Yahoo Answers. Your conspiracy theories along those lines are irrelevant. Yahoo could be the most poorly programmed system in the world, operated by the most evil corporate overlords under the direction of the CIA, and that still would do nothing to prove you are telepathic.

 

[Startz]

Michel,

Why do you have so much time to discuss Yahoo forums, but never time to respond to offers to help design a test that would convince others of your ability?

 

[abaddon]

I believe you, but there is a difference between a forum and Yahoo Answers.

Yes, there is. I got hundreds of spammers, Yahoo gets millions per day.

On Yahoo Answers, it may be useful to sometimes post exactly identical questions in two different categories.

Which triggers a spam detector. Why? Identical content obviously copy pasted.

The utility of such behavior in a forum, however, is far less obvious.

I do not buy that excuse. Surely you must at least be dimly aware of the promotion of, say, drugs which will give you a bigger boner than a blue whale? No? Really that sheltered?

Bet on this, buy that, spend your way to a better life, pyramid schemes, and on and on and on. Right on the frontline against such spammage is detection of copy pasta duplicate posts.

Not only did you fall foul of the copypasta thing, you posted the EXACT same post in different locations within the same minute, another red flag.

It does not matter that your intent is not to spam. The simple fact is that you are unintentionally ticking all of the boxes as an obvious spam source. And the obvious sources are first to be toasted. The Algos make no distinction between you and some twonk selling viagra. Your behaviours are the same. That is sufficient to get you flagged.

My advice to you is DO NOT COPYPASTA QUESTIONS.
You will accumulate various flags and those do not go away.

I used to operate a three strikes and you are out policy. By that policy, I would have you on two strikes. One more would earn a ban.

I have no idea what Yahoo's criteria are, but I would suggest you are on shaky ground already. Copypasta in multiple locations is a tell for spammers. Maybe you really are innocent, but the algo cares not a whit, nor do the mods, nor does anyone. Cross the criteria, get banned. The machine does not care.

And why must I explain this to a supposed PhD? Children understand these boundaries. My children understand these boundaries. Their friends understand these boundaries. Their friends parents understand these boundaries. I know of nobody who does not. Except you.

Why is it you do not?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

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Yeah, he isn't spamming at all, No sir.

 

[abaddon]

[qimg]https://thumbsnap.com/s/ZiKliXtZ.png?0110[/qimg]

Yeah, he isn't spamming at all, No sir.

And somehow, he is amazed that copypasta gets delisted.

Even when it is plainly copypasta.

Odd, is it not?

 

[Loss Leader]

We are so far off track, we're in a different race altogether.

This thread, as near as I understand it, is about Michel attempting to test his powers of telepathy here on the ISF forum. Yet, Michel has repeatedly refused to refine his testing based on user feedback for years now. People here have refused to participate in the same poorly designed tests for years now. And somehow we're onto Yahoo! Answer' spam detection capabilities.

Michel, would you like to run a telepathy test on this forum or not?

 

[JayUtah]

We are so far off track, we're in a different race altogether.

I thought about reporting it for moderation on those grounds, but I keep hoping we can keep it on topic ourselves.

This thread, as near as I understand it, is about Michel attempting to test his powers of telepathy here on the ISF forum. ... And somehow we're onto Yahoo! Answer' spam detection capabilities.

Because the topic is the telepathy test, not the ultimate question of whether Michel is a telepath. A properly-controlled test would answer that question quickly and definitively. And the likelihood that such a test would fail means that Michel would no longer be special. Michel doesn't want resolution. Instead, Michel holds out unresolved hope that a "fair" test on his chosen will vindicate him, if only the platform would play nice. As long as he can argue that nefarious Yahooligans are sabotaging his efforts, he can remain in the spotlight indefinitely.

Fringe argumentation is not about winning. It's about remaining relevant.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I found an interesting analogy

You found two posts, one here and one on Yahoo Answers, using similar written construction to express two different things;

Writing 7/8 to mean "seven out of eight"
Writing 6/7 to mean "six or seven"

Analogy isn't really the word for that. That's overconnecting insignificant details.

The only thing this brings to my mind is that someone once told me that overconnecting things was one common symptom of an illness, but it's not a topic to pursue here.