Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

[Ziggurat]

Obama did that. Trump just didn't undo it.
So no proof at all.

Well, no. Obama did nothing to expand oil and gas production. It expanded despite him, not because of him. It was driven by technological advances he had no real part in. Trump took action to expand production by opening up federal land to new drilling leases.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't trust Iran one bit, but at least with the deal if they cheated we had a strong case in the court of world opinion.

A strong case to do what? Lodge diplomatic protests? Complain at the UN? "World opinion" isn't always very valuable.

 

[acbytesla]

I shed no tears over Soleimani buying the farm;he had plenty of blood on his hands.
But whether killing him is a wise move is another matter completely. I don't see how his removal solves anything.
It's not like he was irreplaceable genius the way that Yamamoto..another targeted killing... was In World War 2.

I think it was moronic and provocative. It only provides another rallying cry that the Iranian government can use to rally their people.

 

[Steve]

A strong case to do what? Lodge diplomatic protests? Complain at the UN? "World opinion" isn't always very valuable.

Yeah you’re right. Killing people is the only way forward for the USA.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yeah you’re right. Killing people is the only way forward for the USA.

Killing Soleimani is separate from leaving Obama’s Iran deal. We could have killed him while staying in the deal, or not killed him while leaving the deal.

 

[acbytesla]

Killing Soleimani is separate from leaving Obama’s Iran deal. We could have killed him while staying in the deal, or not killed him while leaving the deal.

The idea that all of this is separate is moronic Zig. The joke is two largest oil producers in the Middle East is Iran and Saudi Arabia. Iran has by far the most pro Western population and yet the US has been screwing over Iran since Mossadegh. Trump has bedded down with the Saudis just like he has been kissing Putin's ass.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I think it was moronic and provocative. It only provides another rallying cry that the Iranian government can use to rally their people.

And those of who hate America love it!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweeted

Christopher Bedford, The Federalist Senior Editor. “There is NOTHING NEW in these Emails at all that’s been discovered. It’s exactly what we knew before, which is that the White House & political figures wanted to cut off aid, Trump wanted to question aid to a number of....

....different places that he thought were wasteful, and the career staff, as they always do, pushed back, and made a million excuses as to why they could not possibly stop spending U.S. taxpayer money. There was a back & forth over the legal arguments, & the W.H. decision was....

....followed, and then it was withdrawn. The Democrats argument for impeachment has not gotten stronger over the last few weeks. As Senator Josh Hawley just said, he’s going to enter a Motion to Dismiss the Impeachment Trial because it’s never actually been brought to trial.”

If there was nothing to see there, why all the redactions and statements to keep everything secret?

Another liar for Trump. No surprise given Trump is letting the Federalist Society stack the courts.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The [GOP an arm of the] Federalist Society. ....

ftfy

 

[Steve]

And those of who hate America love it!

Of course they do.

You do realize that most of the world are not big fans of America at the moment?

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm wondering if this assassination was done specifically to make the impeachment more difficult. Bush was not popular before 9/11 but his approval rating soared afterward. Could this have been a calculated move to make Trump appear as if he has 'saved' Americans from this (alleged) "imminent and sinister" attack that he and Pompeo claim was about to occur? In is announcement, Trump stressed how 'under (his) leadership' this alleged attack was stopped. I seriously doubt Trump thought through the possible/likely consequences of this action and was more concerned about the good press he thought this would bring him.

 

[Stacyhs]

Of course they do.

You do realize that most of the world are not big fans of America at the moment?

What? Are you saying that the US is not respected worldwide again? How can that be when Trump has told us otherwise? He wouldn't lie...would he?

 

[Steve]

What? Are you saying that the US is not respected worldwide again? How can that be when Trump has told us otherwise? He wouldn't lie...would he?

My mistake. You are right. If Trump can’t be counted on there is no future for humanity.

 

[acbytesla]

I'm wondering if this assassination was done specifically to make the impeachment more difficult. Bush was not popular before 9/11 but his approval rating soared afterward. Could this have been a calculated move to make Trump appear as if he has 'saved' Americans from this (alleged) "imminent and sinister" attack that he and Pompeo claim was about to occur? In is announcement, Trump stressed how 'under (his) leadership' this alleged attack was stopped. I seriously doubt Trump thought through the possible/likely consequences of this action and was more concerned about the good press he thought this would bring him.

The smartest thing Iran could do at this moment is not to react. But Trump seems committed to provoking them into launching some kind of revenge attack. As I see breaking news of another attack on a paramilitary Iranian unit.

 

[Stacyhs]

The smartest thing Iran could do at this moment is not to react. But Trump seems committed to provoking them into launching some kind of revenge attack. As I see breaking news of another attack on a paramilitary Iranian unit.

WWI started after an assassination of an Austrian archduke and his wife. Few realized what it would lead to.

 

[acbytesla]

WWI started after an assassination of an Austrian archduke and his wife. Few realized what it would lead to.

Yep. Serbian Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip.

I doubt this will cause WWIII, but it wouldn't shock me that we'll be at war in the middle east soon. All because Trump is an idiot with balls but severely lacking in brains. And our usual NATO Allies will not be along side us. But Russia and Saudi Arabia will be cheering us on.

 

[JoeMorgue]

WWI started after an assassination of an Austrian archduke and his wife. Few realized what it would lead to.

Oh this is completely different.

Post Napoleonic War Europe was a mishmash of dying Empires and rising industrial powers interlinked with a complicated network of treaties and agreements trying to cover a history of ethnic and religious hatred going back decades, all so haphazardly balanced but poorly understood that the first thing that went wrong was going to cause it collapse under it's own weight, all caught between growing powers exerting their influence over the world.

The Middle East is a mishmash of dying Empires and rising industrial powers interlinked with a complicated network of treaties and agreements trying to cover a history of ethnic and religious hatred going back centuries, all so haphazardly balanced but poorly understood that the first thing that goes wrong is going to cause it collapse under it's own weight, all caught between growing powers exerting their influence over the world.

See? Completely different.

 

[Stacyhs]

Yep. Serbian Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip.

I doubt this will cause WWIII, but it wouldn't shock me that we'll be at war in the middle east soon. All because Trump is an idiot with balls but severely lacking in brains. And our usual NATO Allies will not be along side us. But Russia and Saudi Arabia will be cheering us on.

No, he was Austrian but killed in Serbia by a Serbian anarchist.

I long ago gave up predicting what would happen in the ME.

 

[SezMe]

So, remember Edward Gallagher - the SEAL who was charged with stabbing to death a child who lay in a hospital bed and convicted of posing for photographs with the corpse, who Trump then pardoned? Well, he's got his own clothing line now. This twitter thread highlights issues with that and the way it's being reported.

From the tweet: 'coastal lifestyle brand". I thought the Deplorables hated the coastal elites.

 

[Ziggurat]

The Middle East is a mishmash of dying Empires and rising industrial powers interlinked with a complicated network of treaties and agreements

Yeah, no. Middle eastern empires are all long dead. The only rising industrial power in the region is Israel. And there are very few treaties tying any of them together.