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Bubba said:
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The JFK memorial at Arlington is shaped exactly like a Q.....

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He was on final approach to Martha's Vineyard, reported the Coast Guard duty officer on Boston TV news, the night before the Air Force showed up, after a night of silence, in the Coast Guards's role, running the show from a room in the pentagon, and began searching a hundred miles away in Long Island Sound.

The cover up became obvious when Air Force's Roark lied about the radar.

Here is a partial list of items from official records and media.

* USCG information officer Todd Burgun reported Kennedy's called FAA at 9:39PM.

* Burgun said he was approaching Martha's Vineyard airport when he radioed FAA.

* Radar confirms he was in position to call tower for landing, two minutes before he disappeared.

* When planes disappear on final approach, emergency procedures automatically kick in.

* Newscasters puzzled over silence from FAA during the search. Probably they were calling FAA.

* Roark said he knew of no radio contact and proceeded as though it never happened.

* Roark said nothing unusual on radar, and nothing pinpointing any one area.

* USCG Admiral Larrabbee changed the story to 2:15AM, as if there was no prior Coast Guard/FAA overdue report.

* USCG information officer Burgun was not heard from again after reporting FAA's report on ABC-TV.

* Adam Budd, an employee at Martha's Vineyard airport called FAA on behalf of family or friends waiting for Kennedy.

* A State Police spokesman is on video saying "Coast Guard will be back in the air in the morning."

* But later we are told the search began at 7:55AM, and the search began far from the crash site.

* Civil Air Patrol Captain Stanley saw unidentified helicopters around 7AM at the crash site, before the search began.

* UPI, WCVB-TV Boston, and ABC News said witnesses reported a mid-air explosion at time and location of crash.

* NTSB investigator produces a bogus document.

* Subsequent spinners say bad weather, and a bad reckless irresponsible unqualified inexperienced pilot.

* FAA's Meyers and Flight Instructor McColgan refute those bad weather and bad pilot spin stories.

* ABC's Martha Raddatz asks Roark about the plane diving off radar at Martha's Vineyard.

* Admiral Quigley steps in and redirects the Briefing away from radar when reporters focus on the radar report.
 
Bubba said:
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Ah so you don't know huh..............lol. Let me ask has any American politician/celebrity actually died accidentally and not not being knocked off by an evil conspiracy?
 
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BStrong said:
I don't believe the party in question is constrained by anything as unimportant as reality.
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I would hope not our good friend is unstuck in the reality that we are all mired in and he lives in a restraint free environment - whatever he believes is true - unless he changes his mind, then it isn't.
 
Whatever, FAA or tower. Radio or radar. The main thing is they had it on radar. The media knew it. Try explaining Roark's response to ABC's Raddatz's radar questions, and Adm Quigley's interrupting and changing the subject when reporters pressed Roark about the dive and its location, on radar. They had the dive on radar and they searched elsewhere.
 
turingtest said:
Bubba knows better. USCG PO Burgun never said that JFK Jr. "radioed FAA"- this was discussed with Bubba five years ago- the only contact was radar contact.
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I'm guessing some of my critics apparently did not watch or listen to the John Hankey video I was talking about, 5 years ago, as follows...

While you are correct that Burgun did not say those exact words....

When he answered a newswoman's question about JFK Jr's last communication, Burgun said on air: "All I really know is it was at 9:39 and it was with the FAA." Burgun does not say who told him that.

It had to be that JFK Jr talked to the tower, because at 9:38:50 he had just lined up for final approach.

If I recall correctly, Burgun's on air conversation was on the late night newscast, just a couple hours after they went down, before stories began changing the next day, when USAF's Roark said JFK Jr never contacted any airport.

I did not see the transcript you mentioned earlier, however to check my recollection, I listened again to the footage. Does the transcript match the video's audio? If not, why not? ***

You can hear Burgun's words for yourself. (video link below) Go to 19:40. Burgun talks on air with a news anchor (blonde)

Burgun: "...at 9:39 PM with the FAA, on final approach to Martha's Vineyard"

(FAA meant the flight controller at Martha's Vineyard airport)

Blonde, summarizing: "...evidence of a last communication as he was making approach to M V airport...." "...so at 9:39 he made a contact with flight controllers at M V airport...?"

Burgun: "Correct"

Blonde: "Contact with flight controllers at 9:39..?"

Burgun: "That is correct"
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That 9:39 time matches the 9:39 when he corrected his altitude from 2200 feet to 2500 feet (after descending from 3000 ft). He was on final approach, and that was the time Burgun referred to, saying "Correct" to Blonde newswoman when she asked if he made contact with flight controllers.

Roark said JFK Jr never contacted any airport.

Some believe Burgun's version, others believe Roark's version.

Hear Burgun at 19:40. (Roark is heard later in the video). Link, if it works. It wasnt as easy to find as before:

Dark Legacy II: The Assassination of JFK Jr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL6Gn9IkVzU


*** Correction: you referred to a Roark transcript, not a Burgun transcript. Sorry.
 
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turingtest said:
Bubba knows better. USCG PO Burgun never said that JFK Jr. "radioed FAA"- this was discussed with Bubba five years ago- the only contact was radar contact.
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As if I remember details five months ago, never mind five years ago.

BTW, the briefing transcript you quoted ...regarding Roark never saying "he saw nothing unusual" (on radar track)...it is apparently contradicted by Roark speaking in the Hankey video.


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In the USAF, Roark was THE search and rescue expert, and he had already seen the N-Tap radar profile of the plane falling almost straight down out of the sky at 20+ times the normal rate of descent, seven miles from the M V airport, yet Roark searched far away, and he said "The radar position is just the last possible position" "Planes go off the radar when they are approaching the airport."

He also said they "cannot be sure which plane it is" (even though each plane's identification is on radar.)



Below, excerpts from the briefing, from Hankey's video, two of Roark's statements which contradict the transcript you quoted, regarding Roark never said "saw nothing unusual" :

At 34:01 Roark says "We have nothing that pinpoints one area as opposed to another."

At 35:10 Roark is quoted in the NY Times "...it looked like a normal flight to me. It looked like it was on descent. I didnt see anything unusual."



* one reporter's audio went to static as she questioned Roark's about the radar ..and...

* Admiral Quigley steps in and redirects the Briefing away from radar when reporters focus on the radar report.


(maybe the NY Times quote in the video is where I got the idea that Roark said he saw nothing unusual on radar).

Have you seen the N-Tap descent profile?

Did you watch the Hankey video?
It would be interesting to compare the transcript with what briefing excerpts are heard in Hankey's video. I searched with the url but the transcript was not in the results
 
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