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Who created al Qaeda?

Oystein said:
Say what?!? Seriously, what is wrong with you, Orphia??

Please back up all the way to the post of yours which started this mess:


For your convenience, I highlighted all the things in your post which Bin Laden did NOT intend to protest with the 9/11 attacks.

And surely he did not do 9/11 to protest my, Axxman's, Allen's amd others' disagreement with your wrong claims?!
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Orphia is talking about the carpet Bombing of Chesnia Buy Yeltsin and Later Putin, and Obama's statements that is why he attacked the World Trade Center. Because the USA was growing closer to Putin. That and the presents of Infidels in Saudi Arabia.
This was discussed at length here over the years.
 
Axxman300 said:
And yet he's President of the United States AND were the election held tomorrow he gets re-elected. He is the face of our Post-9/11 insanity.
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He tapped into Anti Immigrant anti Muslim hate an fraud 🦊 Propoganda to gain control of the right wingers.
 
Osama bin Laden was such a fighter on behalf of Muslims that much of his large family, including his own son who spent his childhood around his father and his father’s violent cult followers in Sudan and Afghanistan, disowned him.

“My father chose war, I choose peace.” The likes of MLK and Gandhi would have been deeply disturbed and horrified by Osama bin Laden and his fellow jihadists.
 
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Allen773 said:
Osama bin Laden was such a fighter on behalf of Muslims that much of his large family, including his own son who spent his childhood around his father and his father’s violent cult followers in Sudan and Afghanistan, disowned him.

“My father chose war, I choose peace.” The likes of MLK and Gandhi would have been deeply disturbed and horrified by Osama bin Laden and his fellow jihadists.
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I agree as there was no observed peace in his behavior.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Backing up a step to note that everyone tacitly agreed with the fact that Bin Laden did, in fact, plan and implement the 9/11 attacks to protest, highlight, and avenge the attacks on Muslim people, and those attacks on Muslims which still continue even in here.
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Not tacitly, not overtly, not at all. You are way off base* here.


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Lest we forget, one reason that Osama was sooooo upset at the infidels in his precious holy Saudi Arabia was that he returned from Khartoum to ask that he and his 1,000 jihadis be able to protect the border with Iraq, where Saddam was massing tank divisions. The Saudis took our satellite imagery and smart bombs over Osama's WWI-style "I'll dig trenches to stop the Iraqi tanks" nonsense plan, and half a million soldiers followed.
 
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Orphia Nay said:
Backing up a step to note that everyone tacitly agreed with the fact that Bin Laden did, in fact, plan and implement the 9/11 attacks to protest, highlight, and avenge the attacks on Muslim people, and those attacks on Muslims which still continue even in here.
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He used bad history to veil his racism which is the underlying reason for the attacks of 9-11.

I will point out again that while he rants about the evil of the Jews and Israeli aggression he and Al Qaeda have NEVER directly attack Israel. Why? Because they're cowards, as are all terrorist.

At least the Taliban will go out of its way to light up the US military whenever it gets a chance. Sure, they all die but you have to respect that.
 
Oystein said:
Say what?!? Seriously, what is wrong with you, Orphia??

Please back up all the way to the post of yours which started this mess:


For your convenience, I highlighted all the things in your post which Bin Laden did NOT intend to protest with the 9/11 attacks.

And surely he did not do 9/11 to protest my, Axxman's, Allen's amd others' disagreement with your wrong claims?!
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Oystein said:
Are you talking about the PTSD of the Al Qaeda militants? That could be on topic.
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Dear Oystein, go back and read what Osama bin Laden said.

You seem to be freaking out because surprisingly you of all people haven’t actually checked and thought through the original sources of 9/11.
 
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My comments are relevant to this topic.

This topic was never relevant to the 9/11 CT subforum.

It doesn't matter what subforum it's in. The issues still exist.
 
Orphia Nay said:
My comments are relevant to this topic.
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Not really, no.

This topic was never relevant to the 9/11 CT subforum.
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Not true. This thread was started to promote a 9/11-related conspiracy theory - the old chestnut about Al Qaeda being a CIA operation (it wasn't). This is the appropriate subforum for it.

It doesn't matter what subforum it's in. The issues still exist.
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The issues you're talking about may exist, but that doesn't change the fact that they're not relevant to the topic of this thread. In this thread, they're just intentional derails.
 
Orphia Nay said:
9/11 and its causes are still relevant in 2020 because of anti-immigrant sentiment.
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They weren't relevant in 2001.

If he had a problem with Israel he should have attacked Israel. He didn't because he's a coward. On 9-11 his men didn't attack an aircraft carrier or Fort Bragg, they attacked the World Trade Center hoping to kill a lot of Jews (according to KSM). The Pentagon is technically fair game. The World Trade Center was a soft target and using hijacker airliners it was also an easy target.

And for what?

We were in Somalia to end a famine that had killed 300,000 people who starved to death because the militias in Mogadishu were hijacking food shipments.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011726135256169831.html

We are clearly awful people. No wonder bin Laden hated us, I mean who does the US think it is just up and putting down some militias in order to feed people who don't matter to them in a country that doesn't produce a drop of oil? We're obviously monsters.

I'm sure at some point bin Laden, who was right next door the whole time, was just about to step up and do the right thing when the US just barged in. Shame on us.

Oh but it gets worse, we horn in on the Serbian genocide in Bosnia and Kosov without asking bin Laden's permission. The Serbs murdered 100,000 people, most of whom were Muslim and that number would be higher had the US and NATO not intervened (and by intervene I mean the US had to drag NATO into Bosnia and Kosovo).

I'm sure bin Laden and Al Qaeda were just about to leap into action against the Serbs any day when we - again - ruined the fun.

And it is clear the US hates Muslims because we kept feeding them and liberating them in the 1990s. Thank Allah bin Laden put us in our place.

Seriously, Al Qaeda is a death cult. They wanted a war with the US and they got it. A half million people died in Iraq, most killed by AQI, and thousands are dead in Syria (not our war at first) and thousands are dead in Afghanistan. I guess this is what an Al Qaeda victory looks like. The US Military is a thousand times more lethal today than it was in 2001 and that's just with our conventional weapons. Today under our current President our nuclear arsenal is being upgraded as is the Russian nuclear arsenal. The DoD is grabbing land in Nevada to enlarge our test ranges to allow for more room as a new class of weapon begins testing.

So yeah, keep up the terrorism justifications so we can keep the War on Terror going for perpetuity.
 
I am insulted by the way I am being misrepresented and underestimated.

This topic was not just blaming the CIA.

Geggy in the OP showed Hillary Clinton “blaming” the USA in a soundbite and explaining the far wider issues.

I am not blaming the CIA or the USA.

I’m discussing the far wider issues.

Why do you all want to shut that discussion down?
 
Hillary Clinton : We created Al-Qaeda

Video geggy posted in the OP.

(YouTube published on 27 December 2011) not sure what date she was filmed.

https://youtu.be/Dqn0bm4E9yw

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“we also have a history of kind of moving
in and out of Pakistan I mean let's
remember here the people we are fighting
today
we funded 20 years ago and we did it
because we were locked in this struggle
with the Soviet Union they invaded
Afghanistan and we did not want to see
them control Central Asia and we went to
work and it was President Reagan in
partnership with the Congress led by
Democrats who said you know what sounds
like a pretty good idea let's deal with
the ISI and the Pakistani military and
let's go recruit these Mujahideen and
that's great let's get some to come from
Saudi Arabia and other places importing
their Wahhabi brand of Islam so that we
can go beat the Soviet Union and guess
what they retreated they lost billions
of dollars and it led to the collapse of
the Soviet Union so there's a very
strong argument which is wasn't a bad
investment and the Soviet Union but
let's be careful what we sow because we
will harvest so we then left Pakistan we
said okay fine you deal with the
Stingers that we've left all over your
country you deal with the mines that are
along the border and by the way we don't
want to have anything to do with you in
fact we're sanctioning you so we stopped
dealing with the Pakistani military and
with ISI and we now are making up for a
lot of lost time.”
 
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bknight said:
I posted this in #122

Orphia Nay said:
Cheers, ozeco41.

I understand the pride we debunkers take in "knowing more" than the average person.
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So just exactly are you attempting to debunk?
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Moving on...

Does anyone want to discuss the former US Secretary of State’s comments on who created Al Qaeda?
 
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