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The Trump Presidency: Part 18

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acbytesla said:
Lets just call Melania what she is. A TWO FACED Bitch.

Barely mention Barron and she throws a hissy fit. Her husband attacks a 16 year old girl and she doesn't utter a word.
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From: https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...th-Warren-controversy-impeachment-latest-news
US President Donald Trump brought up his 13-year-old son Barron to mock his Democratic presidential rivals last night at his Michigan rally. The move sparked controversy since his wife Melania Trump attacked an impeachment witness for bringing up their son during a hearing last week.

Does this mean that Barron is now fair game?

Does this mean that Melanie will now go after her husband for mentioning Barron?

Or does it mean that she is actually a hypocrite?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Veterans continue to support Trump (hell, they give him their Purple Hearts!) even though he had to admit to stealing $2 million from them.
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Not only that, but he lied about having bone spurs to get out of military service and insulted McCain because he only likes "people who weren't captured". He insulted the Kahns, a Gold Medal family. He insulted actual service by comparing dating to serving in Vietnam.
 
"There's this kid Barron Trump who could go to Central Park, that's in Manhattan, and be more popular than Pocahontas."

What was all that **** about not bringing the kid into the politics only a week or so ago? And I'm not talking about this here Forum...

Note, he didn't even say "My son Barron".
 
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Stacyhs said:
No. I don't think they know that Trump couldn't walk past a church without bursting into flame. They idolize him. They applaud and cheer for him at rallies when he insults and disparages people. They defend his behavior and his lies. It's more than just giving them SC judges.
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That's certainly true for the dopes who show up to his rallies. I think, though, that you can rest assured that most Republicans probably despise him and are scared of what he's doing to the government. Unfortunately, they're also craven cynics who are willing to go along under the following conditions:

1. The morons continue supporting Trump and prop up their dying party.
2. Their taxes don't go up.
3. The poor are treated like ****.
4. Any policy originating on the Democrats' side of the aisle gets blocked.
5. Every new federal judge one of their right wing cronies.

Until at least one of those changes, there will be no end to Trump's party support.
 
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alfaniner said:
"There's this kid Barron Trump who could go to Central Park, that's in Manhattan, and be more popular than Pocahontas."

What was all that **** about not bringing the kid into the politics only a week or so ago? And I'm not talking about this here Forum...

Note, he didn't even say "My son Barron".
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Maybe he's not to sure who Barron's actual father is.
 
Babbylonian said:
That's certainly true for the dopes who show up to his rallies. I think, though, that you can rest assured that most Republicans probably despise him and are scared of what he's doing to the government. Unfortunately, they're also craven cynics who are willing to go along under the following conditions:

1. The morons continue supporting Trump and prop up their dying party.
2. Their taxes don't go up.
3. The poor are treated like ****.
4. Any policy originating on the Democrats' side of the aisle gets blocked.
5. Every new federal judge one of their right wing cronies.

Until at least one of those changes, there will be no end to Trump's party support.
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I disagree. Polls show that he is extremely popular among Republicans. They aren't "scared of what he's doing to the government" because he's doing exactly what they want: lowering taxes (despite the fact it benefits the wealthy and is contributing massively to the national debt), going after illegal immigrants, and appointing very conservative federal/SC judges.
 
Stacyhs said:
I disagree. Polls show that he is extremely popular among Republicans. They aren't "scared of what he's doing to the government" because he's doing exactly what they want: lowering taxes (despite the fact it benefits the wealthy and is contributing massively to the national debt), going after illegal immigrants, and appointing very conservative federal/SC judges.
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I suppose I could have been more clear. Sane (yeah, I know) Republicans can't help but fear what Trump is doing to the process, creating terrifying precedents regarding the power of the executive branch. While they continue treating this situation like they're never going to have another Republican president, Trump is paving the way for an Imperial Democrat. They have to fear that, both because they fear liberal policies and because they think that everyone is as corrupt and hypocritical as they are.
 
Babbylonian said:
I suppose I could have been more clear. Sane (yeah, I know) Republicans can't help but fear what Trump is doing to the process, creating terrifying precedents regarding the power of the executive branch. While they continue treating this situation like they're never going to have another Republican president, Trump is paving the way for an Imperial Democrat. They have to fear that, both because they fear liberal policies and because they think that everyone is as corrupt and hypocritical as they are.
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You would think so but the fact of his overwhelmingly positive approval ratings among Republicans doesn't support that. You and I can see what his presidency is doing regarding executive precedent but they either can't or won't see it. They've gone full "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' mode.

I think you meant to say "they continue treating this situation like they're never going to have another Republican Democrat president..."
 
Stacyhs said:
You would think so but the fact of his overwhelmingly positive approval ratings among Republicans doesn't support that.
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You think people don't lie to pollsters? I think the second Trump is out of office we'll see what Republicans really think of him. As it is, I think they've decided "in for a penny, in for a pound" and won't utter a harsh word against him until they've gotten everything they can out of his presidency.
 
Trebuchet said:
"There's this kid Barron Trump who could go to Central Park, that's in Manhattan, and be more popular than Pocahontas."

What was all that **** about not bringing the kid into the politics only a week or so ago? And I'm not talking about this here Forum...

Note, he didn't even say "My son Barron".
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Maybe he's not to sure who Barron's actual father is.
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Maybe someone took Melanie furniture shopping. And moved on her like a bitch.

I hear you can do anything with them.
 
Stacyhs said:
I disagree. Polls show that he is extremely popular among Republicans. They aren't "scared of what he's doing to the government" because he's doing exactly what they want: lowering taxes (despite the fact it benefits the wealthy and is contributing massively to the national debt), going after illegal immigrants, and appointing very conservative federal/SC judges.
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Yes, and that is why a Republican Superpac was formed to defeat Trump. Never mind that countless lifetime Republicans have left the party. Yes, Trump owns the GOP today. Such as it is.
 
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Babbylonian said:
You think people don't lie to pollsters? I think the second Trump is out of office we'll see what Republicans really think of him. As it is, I think they've decided "in for a penny, in for a pound" and won't utter a harsh word against him until they've gotten everything they can out of his presidency.
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Sure, some people lie to pollsters but not enough to give him an 89% approval rating (Gallup, Dec 2-15). His approval ratings have held pretty consistently among Republicans in the mid to high 80's.

I doubt they'll change their opinions much once he's out of office. If they did so, they'd be admitting they were wrong all along. People don't have a tendency to do that. In fact, people tend to dig in deeper the longer they've had an emotional commitment to something.
 
Stacyhs said:
Sure, some people lie to pollsters but not enough to give him an 89% approval rating (Gallup, Dec 2-15). His approval ratings have held pretty consistently among Republicans in the mid to high 80's.

I doubt they'll change their opinions much once he's out of office. If they did so, they'd be admitting they were wrong all along. People don't have a tendency to do that. In fact, people tend to dig in deeper the longer they've had an emotional commitment to something.
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See, that's a relative percentage.

Let's pretend that the Republicans are just 100 people. That means if 80-90 people support him then he gets such an approval rating. But 100 people out of a population of 320 million is not even a blip on a blip on a blip of relevance. It's being popular with a close group of friends, not a national movement.

So now let's say the Republicans are 10% of the population - 32 million people. An 80-90% approval is about 29 million people. That's just 9% of the total population. So that would mean more than 80% of the US population either disapprove or don't care very much. Certainly not outright support at all.

So the question is: How much does Republican approval translate into US population approval?

Also, note that as moderate Republicans leave the party in disgust, that tends to concentrate the Trump-approvalers in the shrinking remainder. So the relative percentage of Trump support among official Republicans rises.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
See, that's a relative percentage.

Let's pretend that the Republicans are just 100 people. That means if 80-90 people support him then he gets such an approval rating. But 100 people out of a population of 320 million is not even a blip on a blip on a blip of relevance. It's being popular with a close group of friends, not a national movement.

So now let's say the Republicans are 10% of the population - 32 million people. An 80-90% approval is about 29 million people. That's just 9% of the total population. So that would mean more than 80% of the US population either disapprove or don't care very much. Certainly not outright support at all.

So the question is: How much does Republican approval translate into US population approval?

Also, note that as moderate Republicans leave the party in disgust, that tends to concentrate the Trump-approvalers in the shrinking remainder. So the relative percentage of Trump support among official Republicans rises.
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Your original post said "you can rest assured that most Republicans probably despise him and are scared of what he's doing to the government."
So it's Republicans we're talking about here not how Republican approval translate into US population approval. You've changed the topic.

ETA: According to Gallup, the GOP has actually grown in membership, not declined.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
 
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