Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

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Guybrush Threepwood said:
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Do you mean Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe? If so maybe you should read your briefing papers more carefully? :D
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From your link:

On 1 November 2017, British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said "When we look at what Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was doing, she was simply teaching people journalism, as I understand it, at the very limit."[42] These remarks appear to have put her at risk, prompting condemnation from politicians across the spectrum including Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn and London Mayor Sadiq Khan, leading to calls for Boris Johnson to be sacked.[43] A central part of Zaghari-Ratcliffe's defence was that she was there on a holiday and never worked to train journalists in the country.[44]
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Yep, that's the one.
 
Darat said:
Apparently when he is screaming at people because he is unhappy all that pseudo stuttering disappears.
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I might be wrong, but I formed the impression that George W. Bush was similar in public, though not necessarily that the folksy, bumbling stuff was an act, more that he just wasn't a great public speaker.
 
ceptimus said:
Remainers never give up. Some remainer thought, "Let's spin the idea that now we've lost, we'll get what we wanted - and see if we can make the public believe that lie."
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Don't try to convince me that had the Remainers eventually prevailed that the Brexiteers would have simply said, "Oh, well, that's the end of that!"
 
LondonJohn said:
But I at least try to see things for what they are and what they imply, and not try to shoehorn things into my own preconceived agenda/bias.)
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This is a bit disingenuous. Every political observer sees things "for what they are"; none of them AT ALL shoehorn reality into their worldview. At least that is what every single one of them would say.

So I find your claim to somehow be more realistic in your views unconvincing, at best.
 
SezMe said:
This is a bit disingenuous. Every political observer sees things "for what they are"; none of them AT ALL shoehorn reality into their worldview. At least that is what every single one of them would say.

So I find your claim to somehow be more realistic in your views unconvincing, at best.
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You're kidding, right?? You need go no further than the left-wing UK newspapers - for example The Mirror and The Guardian - to see polemical, blinkered "analysis" of why Labour lost. And, by the same token, you also need go no further than some of the right-wing UK newspapers (especially The Telegraph) for equally polemical, blinkered "analysis" of Johnson's premiership and the election outcome.
 
LondonJohn said:
You're kidding, right?? You need go no further than the left-wing UK newspapers - for example The Mirror and The Guardian - to see polemical, blinkered "analysis" of why Labour lost. And, by the same token, you also need go no further than some of the right-wing UK newspapers (especially The Telegraph) for equally polemical, blinkered "analysis" of Johnson's premiership and the election outcome.
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You don't get why people were not interested in voting for a Pro Brexit opposition leader but somehow think you are the one “seeing things for what they are”?
 
lomiller said:
You don't get why people were not interested in voting for a Pro Brexit opposition leader but somehow think you are the one “seeing things for what they are”?
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Who was this "pro-Brexit opposition leader" of which you speak? (And I mean someone who actually nailed his colours to the mast as "pro-Brexit")
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Well.......
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You don't think there's a *chance* that this was simply pre-referendum rehetoric/hectoring from a man who had long since pinned his entire political philosophy to Britain leaving the EU? I certainly don't think you can in any way take that sole quote to suggest that in the event of a narrow Remain majority there'd have been a long concerted campaign by a wide constituency of senior Leave politicians to push for a second referendum or an overturning of the first referendum result.....

I'd suggest that had the result indeed been 52-48 in favour of Remain, Farage would either a) not have followed through on this rhetoric, or b) would have attempted to follow through on it but would quickly have been thwarted.

And anyhow, a far more pertinent and relevant question would have been: what would those politicians from the government and opposition parties who supported Brexit have done in the event of a narrow Remain victory.
 
LondonJohn said:
You're kidding, right?? You need go no further than the left-wing UK newspapers - for example The Mirror and The Guardian - to see polemical, blinkered "analysis" of why Labour lost. And, by the same token, you also need go no further than some of the right-wing UK newspapers (especially The Telegraph) for equally polemical, blinkered "analysis" of Johnson's premiership and the election outcome.
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"blinkered" in your view; spot on in their view. You're just making my case.

LondonJohn said:
Based on the same 2016 referendum result?
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Use whatever basis you like. My claim will remain unchanged.
 
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LondonJohn said:
I certainly don't think you can in any way take that sole quote to suggest that in the event of a narrow Remain majority there'd have been a long concerted campaign by a wide constituency of senior Leave politicians .....
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*sniff, sniff* I smell a goalpost moving.
 
lomiller said:
You don't get why people were not interested in voting for a Pro Brexit opposition leader but somehow think you are the one “seeing things for what they are”?
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I think some of them were interested in voting for a pro-Brexit leader so voted Johnson (and some voted Farage), or they wanted someone pro-Remain so voted Lib Dem or Green (or SDP!).

I doubt very many people found Labour’s incoherent dithering on Brexit to be their preferred option.
 
angrysoba said:
I think some of them were interested in voting for a pro-Brexit leader so voted Johnson (and some voted Farage), or they wanted someone pro-Remain so voted Lib Dem or Green (or SDP!).

I doubt very many people found Labour’s incoherent dithering on Brexit to be their preferred option.
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Offering to negotiate a deal and then have a vote on it? Yeah, total dithering.


The Tories lied. Jeremy Corbyn was the most smeared man in british politics.

Boris hid in a fridge.

Let's do the thought experiment about the headlines that would have happened if Corbyn had hid in a Fridge.


The tories lied with impunity and the Tory press failed to call them on it. The BBC slavishly followed that line.


There's no more democracy any more. the public are allowed to make a choice between whichever two candidates the tax exiled press barons approve of.

A left wing option will be pilloried and smeared to the point of unelectability.

Democracy s ******. We're leaving the EU off the back of a bent poll a buggered election and continued lies.
 
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