Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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You somehow managed to convert my observation that he's likely to pay bribes into the idea that he's unlikely to pay bribes. I don't know how you did it. I don't think it's a problem I can help you solve. Good luck with that.

You somehow managed to convert my observation that he's equally as likely to pay bribes as he is to solicit them into the idea that he's unlikely to pay or solicit bribes. I don't know how you did it. I don't think it's a problem I can help you solve. Good luck with that
 
Trump sent a long letter to Pelosi which, judging by the unhinged content, was written by Trump.

He's celebrating Festivus a tad bit early.
 
Ooooh, The PDJT just sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi. Initial impressions are that it's "unhinged". Can't wait to see the whole thing.
 
Ooooh, The PDJT just sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi. Initial impressions are that it's "unhinged". Can't wait to see the whole thing.
You can find a copy of the letter here:

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/tr...hment-in-self-pitying-letter-to-nancy-pelosi/

I really have to wonder what the point of it was... Trump's base isn't going to be reading it, Pelosi, the rest of the democrats, and anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together recognize that Trump's claims are bunk. It wouldn't even be useful in reaching Trump's base, since they tend to be less intelligent, and are better reached through Fox News and similar types of media.
 
We must be watching the same network. They did say it was an "airing of grievances."
I wrote it before they said it! :p As soon as I heard he wrote about her praying for him.

<laughing dogs in vast quantity>
 
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Given his stint as a New York real estate developer, I think Trump is more likely to pay bribes than solicit them.
Whether he is more likely to pay bribes than solicit them is completely irrelevant.

Reportedly Rex Tillerson and Trump clashed on the issue of bribery, according to "The New Yorker."

In February, a few weeks after Tillerson was confirmed by the Senate, he visited the Oval Office to introduce the President to a potential deputy, but Trump had something else on his mind. He began fulminating about federal laws that prohibit American businesses from bribing officials overseas; the businesses, he said, were being unfairly penalized.

Tillerson disagreed. When he was an executive with Exxon, he told Trump, he once met with senior officials in Yemen to discuss a deal. At the meeting, Yemen’s oil minister handed him his business card. On the back was written an account number at a Swiss bank. “Five million dollars,” the minister told him.

"We don’t do that,” Tillerson said. “Exxon doesn’t do that.” If the Yemenis wanted Exxon on the deal, he said, they’d have to play straight. A month later, the Yemenis assented. “Tillerson told Trump that America didn’t need to pay bribes—that we could bring the world up to our own standards,” a source with knowledge of the exchange told me.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/16/rex-tillerson-at-the-breaking-point?verso=true

A telling difference IMO. Tillerson probably wasn't a great secretary of state but I think his business credentials are far more impressive than Trump's. Rather than bringing the world up to U.S. standards Trump seems determined to reduce U.S. standards to the level of corrupt despotic regimes. That's why I want him gone. Soliciting and paying bribes are the same crime. Screw that.
 
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You can find a copy of the letter here:

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/tr...hment-in-self-pitying-letter-to-nancy-pelosi/

I really have to wonder what the point of it was... Trump's base isn't going to be reading it, Pelosi, the rest of the democrats, and anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together recognize that Trump's claims are bunk. It wouldn't even be useful in reaching Trump's base, since they tend to be less intelligent, and are better reached through Fox News and similar types of media.

Oh. My. God. "Unhinged" is the right word to use regarding that letter! It's the rantings of a very angry, paranoid, and delusional narcissist whining about how he's been the poor, innocent victim of the Evil Corrupt Dems and giving a litany of every wrong he perceives ever directed toward him. As I read it, I kept envisioning him lying on the ground banging his fists, stomping his feet and screaming.

Even during his rant of how persecuted he is, he can't help but resort to his signature self-aggrandizing. I think this letter gives us a very good insight into his mental and emotional state at this time. And it ain't good.
 
Direct link to Trump's letter

Having read it, it is abundantly clear Donny did NOT write it. Not even close. At six pages long, I very much doubt he even read it before he signed it.

This is his words on multiple subjects he trots out at his rally speeches conglomerated in one document. It could actually be a script for such an event. However all the gaffes and fist-pumping have been removed, and the spelling and grammar have been seriously tidied up. Then it has been rearranged into a semi-coherent order instead of the random brain-farts he always has.

No, this is the work of his deranged Media Secretary and possibly Mulvaney and Rudi. It looks very much like their defense summary to the House. I seriously doubt Trump would even consider sending a letter anywhere, unless it was in the form of a longer tweet.
 
I suspect it went like this... Trump writes. X edits. Trump edits. Send.
Trump dictates, maybe. That's in general far more likely than him "writing" anything, including tweets.

ETA: I kind of doubt he "sends" it, either. These so-called open letters may just be posted online. My tablet thinks I downloaded it but I can't find it. I realized I don't want to spend much time on whitehouse.gov. Too slimey.
 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah we've heard the "Trump is coming apart behind the scenes" things before multiple times.

He start apart, he's never had it together and he makes it work for his own purposes.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah we've heard the "Trump is coming apart behind the scenes" things before multiple times.

He start apart, he's never had it together and he makes it work for his own purposes.
But maybe the stress levels cause chronic issues, like kidney failure. Perpetual outrage probably isn't very healthful.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah we've heard the "Trump is coming apart behind the scenes" things before multiple times.

He start apart, he's never had it together and he makes it work for his own purposes.
I don't think that TRUMP makes it work. I think its that others are willing to step in to defend Trump despite the problems.
 
Trump dictates, maybe. That's in general far more likely than him "writing" anything, including tweets.

ETA: I kind of doubt he "sends" it, either. These so-called open letters may just be posted online. My tablet thinks I downloaded it but I can't find it. I realized I don't want to spend much time on whitehouse.gov. Too slimey.

Depending on what browser you use you can go to options > downloads > click on the file and it'll open it no matter where it's stored.
 
I don't think that TRUMP makes it work. I think its that others are willing to step in to defend Trump despite the problems.

At the end of the day that's the same thing, the results are the same and the results are the only thing I care about.

Maybe Trump is some Keyzer Soze mastermind behind the scenes, maybe he's a clueless knob Mr. Beaning his way through it enabled by countless evil people with their own agendas, maybe both who knows.

The thing is I don't care. Outside of when it is necessary for practical reasons to gain useful information I'm not psychoanalyzing Trump or doing a performance review on him.

My point is the mythology the Democrats are creating that whatever the center is; be it Trump or people using Trump, that it is not holding doesn't ring as obviously true for me as it seems to for most people.

"Waiting for Trump to just up and decide to fail" has been far, far, far too much of the Democrat's strategy for too long.
 
I'm a page or so behind. As usual.

I have no doubt that Trump in his real estate days both paid and received bribes. And brides, a couple of times. But that's not what's happened with Ukraine. That was extortion, pure and simple. Nice country you got there. Shame if some Russians happened to it.
 
He was adamant that someone should offer an alternative perspective so I bit the bullet and gave an angle on it. Take it or leave it. Theres not really any argument that trump didnt do anything wrong. But the impeachability of what he did hinges on intent. And the inquiry has made no effort on that distinction.

It's on the democrats to make their case regardless. They're the ones handling the inquiry. They've spent several weeks going back and forth on the bribery issue. They've changed the nature of the charges several times while drafting their impeachment articles and have made the inquiry practically a circus.

That may not mean anything to you, but independents may think otherwise. On top of that, Nadler et al seem to hold the belief that they dont trust voters to make the 'right decision' to remedy the issue in the 2020 elections so theres that as well...

Messaging101... this is imo only going to hurt them. Even more so if trump is eventually acquitted

As to not 'trusting' the electorate, how about being so bold as to envision the Dem leadership fear that Trump's *continued* (he ain't stopping until he's ousted) invitation of foreign help could well result in his unfairly rigging the election in his favour?

It defies all rationality to say, "Let the election settle the matter", all while the perp is actively trying to tilt it. Seriously, WTF?!
 
Having read it, it is abundantly clear Donny did NOT write it. Not even close. At six pages long, I very much doubt he even read it before he signed it.

I suspect it went like this... Trump writes. X edits. Trump edits. Send.

Trump dictates, maybe. That's in general far more likely than him "writing" anything, including tweets.

Playing "Which public statement with Trump's name on it did:

A) Trump write
B) Someone else wrote, Trump added to it
C) Someone else wrote entirely
D) Trump wrote, someone else got handed the job of trying to make it sound halfway sane
E) Some combination of A,B,C, and D in some order

is currently one of my favorite games.
 
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