Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

[Norman Alexander]

I think sometimes I'm trying way too hard to see signs that Graham is cagier than he seems. I just can't understand how someone so loyal to McCain could have transferred his loyalty so completely to someone like Trump. Especially on issues of national security.

Whipped cur needs a new hand on his leash?

 

[Minoosh]

If Democrats were smart they'd start making campaign ads right now revealing how much money GOP Senators are taking from Trump.

I'd also like Dems to identify vulnerable Republican senators and fund their opponent's campaigns. It's not too early to have a broad party strategy, even though it's not known who the nominee will be.

 

[Minoosh]

Whipped cur needs a new hand on his leash?

I guess. But he used to despise Trump. As did Pompeo, I read somewhere.

 

[Stacyhs]

I think sometimes I'm trying way too hard to see signs that Graham is cagier than he seems. I just can't understand how someone so loyal to McCain could have transferred his loyalty so completely to someone like Trump. Especially on issues of national security.

Meghan McCain is having a difficult time understanding it, too. I think she is very disappointed in Graham which is conflicting with her positive life long relationship with him.

 

[cullennz]

This sounds like the typical "but Obama told lies too" whataboutism from the Trump supporters.

I'm sure there were echo chambers out there that idolized Clinton or Obama the way the die-hard trumpkins worship the WH's current occupant, and of course politics is also about personality (probably more so in the USA, I'll admit, hence all the celebrities who become politicians), but nowhere close to the level of blind obedience that Trump enjoys. With former presidents, blind adherence has been the exception, not the rule.

This is an anecdote, but case in point, I recently spoke to a Norwegian Trump supporter who demanded I tell her when exactly Trump had told a lie. You simply never saw this kind of idolizing from Obama or Clinton's supporters.

I think you have me confused with some one who gives a **** who wins.

I liked Obama more than your latest idiot, but it doesn't affect me either way.

Was just pointing out from an independent view on the other side of the world the whole lot of US politics seems personality based from both sides.

 

[Stacyhs]

And news is one of those two is planning a party switch in the very near future.

In the last week, some the state's leading Democrats, including Gov. Phil Murphy, have opted not to endorse Van Drew's re-election bid.

"Despite knowing full well that the President has abused the powers of his office, Congressman Van Drew is now willing to enable Donald Trump just to try to salvage his own election," Murphy said Saturday in a statement

He'll fit right in with the Republicans.

 

[Darat]

It's utterly mind-boggling when people say this sort of thing.

- As if boosting Russia and crapping on Ukraine/NATO doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if Ukrainians dying during the time period when aid was help for the shakedown doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if putting kids in cages with improper care doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if rolling back rules that protect the environment doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if appointing judges with no judicial experience, based on ideology alone, doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if getting rolled by Turkey with respect to the Kurds doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if pulling out of Syria without so much as notifying NATO allies doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if exhorting his supporters to beat lawful protesters (and the supporters complied!) doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if he isn't viewed world over as a moron and clown, and that doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if lying to a phenomenal extent about everything hasn't legitimized an alternate reality bubble, and that doesn't qualify as damage.

I could go on at astounding length. One more...

- As if there's no such thing as damage. It's a mythological concept.

Ok some valid points.


But you need to put that in comparison to Obama wearing a tan suit and I think it really adds some perspective.

 

[smartcooky]

Yeah ok

From what I have seen US politics is almost mostly personality politics from both sides.

You just happen to have an orange, bigoted, full of himself nutcase that is better at it at the mo' and will probably win the next election.

Tough luck.

But he can't do that much damage

Mate, you're embarrassing yourself. Sometimes the sheer crap you post about US politics really makes me ashamed to share the same nationality with you.

There was one other time recently that you said you didn't really know much about US Politics and that maybe you should not be posting in those threads. You seriously need to either take your own advice, or swat up on the subject.

 

[varwoche]

I think you have me confused with some one who gives a **** who wins.

I liked Obama more than your latest idiot, but it doesn't affect me either way.

Was just pointing out from an independent view on the other side of the world the whole lot of US politics seems personality based from both sides.

Clueless, vague, low information observations coming from a low information perspective. Very low.

 

[quadraginta]

Rachel Maddow just broadcast one of her most brilliant pieces. I have my complaints against her, but what she just did was ********** great.

She talked about a Republican Congressman named Langrebe who was such a Nixon loyalist that he voted against accepting the congressional report on Nixon’s impeachment - which was released about 10 days *after* Nixon had resigned. And *he* said that he might think Nixon should resign *only* if there was some evidence of foreign influence into the issue. That’s how radical our current Republicans have become.

And the look on her face after she laid that out was priceless.

: clap :

Was it the look of someone who has discovered The One Thing That Will Finally End Trump? Because you totally make it sound like that kind of look.

I don't read that in what he posted.

But I do read in yours that you totally make it sound like you're trying way too hard to find something to criticize.

As in, just fabricating it from whole cloth.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I don't read that in what he posted.

Nor do I.

I watched that segment and thought the message was how much things have changed between then and now, when back then “foreign influence” would have actually mattered.

 

[CapelDodger]

I think sometimes I'm trying way too hard to see signs that Graham is cagier than he seems. I just can't understand how someone so loyal to McCain could have transferred his loyalty so completely to someone like Trump. Especially on issues of national security.

It's been suggested that Graham has an overwhelming psychological need for a father-figure, and that father-figure's approval. McCain filled the role; now he's transferred to Trump. I find it credible. He does seem to go the extra mile in seeking Trump's love.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

It's been suggested that Graham has an overwhelming psychological need for a father-figure, and that father-figure's approval. McCain filled the role; now he's transferred to Trump. I find it credible. He does seem to go the extra mile in seeking Trump's love.

Graham is acting as the father-figure here, trying to get Trump to just go with a quick vote and a quick win instead of entering into a 6-8 week trial to try to get even. I'm with Lindsey.

 

[smartcooky]

I don't read that in what he posted.

But I do read in yours that you totally make it sound like you're trying way too hard to find something to criticize.

As in, just fabricating it from whole cloth.

That's a 72 at Augusta National.

 

[Norman Alexander]

It's been suggested that Graham has an overwhelming psychological need for a father-figure, and that father-figure's approval. McCain filled the role; now he's transferred to Trump. I find it credible. He does seem to go the extra mile in seeking Trump's love.

I'll just repeat what I said above, except I will make it a statement and not a question.

Whipped cur needs a new hand on his leash.

 

[JoeMorgue]

So FoxNews posted a new poll this morning and I think the numbers (my continued insistence that we most emphatically NOT fall into the trap of putting too much emphasis on polling and/or reading anything in the numbers that isn't explicitly there both of which I still stand behind 100% notwithstanding) are interesting. Mainly in that it comes from FoxNews so the screams of "Fake news, liberal lamestream media, Communist News Network Witch Hunt!" will be quieter at least.

- His disapproval is still at the "About 55% disapprove, about 45% approve, give or take 5%" that it's been at since the universe begin pretty much (53% approve to 47% approve in this case.)

- A very, very slight majority say Trump should be impeached and removed. (50% for impeachment and removal, 41 for no impeachment at all and 4% for impeachment and not removal which is... odd but whatever. I'm assuming some "Planet X" answers were left off the published results.) Again this is holding steady, unchanged since last time it was asked in October.

- 53% say Trump has abused the power of his office. 38% says he hasn't.
- 48% say Trump has obstructed Congress. 34% say he hasn't.
- 45% say Trump has committed bribery. 37% say he hasn't.

- A solid majority (58% say no, 22% say yes, 20% say unsure) don't think a President asking for political favors is a normal thing that "all President do."

- 52% say the Trump administration is not co-operating enough with investigators to 36% that say he is.

- 45% say the Democrats are running Impeachment inquiry fairly to 38% that say no.

Now I'm not really all that interested in the actual number, 1 because that backfired so badly in 2016 and 2 because as noted it's the same "About 45% like Trump, about 55% hate Trump" ratio that every question about Trump or anything one step removed from Trump has been answered with a 5% margin of error since Trump started being a thing we had to care about. Nothing it seems is ever going to break that 45/55 split in America.

I'm more interested in how politicians who aren't Trump are going to react if indeed they will at all.

(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fo...approval-ticks-up-views-on-impeachment-steady)

 

[Norman Alexander]

So FoxNews posted a new poll this morning and I think the numbers (my continued insistence that we most emphatically NOT fall into the trap of putting too much emphasis on polling and/or reading anything in the numbers that isn't explicitly there both of which I still stand behind 100% notwithstanding) are interesting. Mainly in that it comes from FoxNews so the screams of "Fake news, liberal lamestream media, Communist News Network Witch Hunt!" will be quieter at least.

- His disapproval is still at the "About 55% disapprove, about 45% approve, give or take 5%" that it's been at since the universe begin pretty much (53% approve to 47% approve in this case.)

- A very, very slight majority say Trump should be impeached and removed. (50% for impeachment and removal, 41 for no impeachment at all and 4% for impeachment and not removal which is... odd but whatever. I'm assuming some "Planet X" answers were left off the published results.) Again this is holding steady, unchanged since last time it was asked in October.

- 53% say Trump has abused the power of his office. 38% says he hasn't.
- 48% say Trump has obstructed Congress. 34% say he hasn't.
- 45% say Trump has committed bribery. 37% say he hasn't.

- A solid majority (58% say no, 22% say yes, 20% say unsure) don't think a President asking for political favors is a normal thing that "all President do."

- 52% say the Trump administration is not co-operating enough with investigators to 36% that say he is.

- 45% say the Democrats are running Impeachment inquiry fairly to 38% that say no.

Now I'm not really all that interested in the actual number, 1 because that backfired so badly in 2016 and 2 because as noted it's the same "About 45% like Trump, about 55% hate Trump" ratio that every question about Trump or anything one step removed from Trump has been answered with a 5% margin of error since Trump started being a thing we had to care about. Nothing it seems is ever going to break that 45/55 split in America.

I'm more interested in how politicians who aren't Trump are going to react if indeed they will at all.

(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fo...approval-ticks-up-views-on-impeachment-steady)

I'm more amused by what Donny-boy is going to say about these numbers, if anything. Fake news? Another whinge about how Fox is lying too, just like the MSM? Pull some more fake numbers out of his ass (or Mulvaney's ass) that he would prefer to believe? Or will his minions simply not show him this report at all to keep him quiet...

 

[Trebuchet]

I'm more amused by what Donny-boy is going to say about these numbers, if anything. Fake news? Another whinge about how Fox is lying too, just like the MSM? Pull some more fake numbers out of his ass (or Mulvaney's ass) that he would prefer to believe? Or will his minions simply not show him this report at all to keep him quiet...

Why speculate when you can just check his twitter?

The @foxnewPolls, always inaccurate, are heavily weighted toward Dems. So ridiculous - same thing happened in 2016. They got it all wrong. Get a new pollster!

 

[Minoosh]

Graham is acting as the father-figure here, trying to get Trump to just go with a quick vote and a quick win instead of entering into a 6-8 week trial to try to get even. I'm with Lindsey.

What makes you think Trump wants a 6- to 8-week trial?

 

[Minoosh]

Why speculate when you can just check his twitter?

Nah, I let Captain Swoop do that for me.