Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

abaddon said:
Are you now suggesting that remarkably gifted people are only remarkably gifted by dint of selling their "soul" to the devil?
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Cynic. It is well known that one has 'sold their soul for rock and roll'. Although Epstein et al may have sold their soul for...

No, I just can't.
 
Vixen said:
Prince Charles = close friend of Jimmy Saville (a mediocre blue collar dj).

Prince Andrew = Virginia Guiffre, a blue collar runaway, has deposited a witness statement/affdavit claiming she was trafficked to Prince Andrew and 'forced' to have sex with on three separate occasions and locations. (He denies it.)

See a pattern emerging?
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I see innuendo emerging. I'll take that as a "no" to my actual question.
 
Vixen said:
It's at the twelve o'clock position and is a flat head stone.
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Are you saying the stone becomes an altar at twelve o'clock? I'm unclear what you're suggesting. Do you have some claim of a ceremony taking place there at noon?
 
Vixen said:
He was remarkably gifted you must admit.
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He has his place in music history, but he wasn't the king of Delta Blues.

Is musical talent now an indication of satan worship? Should people turn away from musical interest before they go full metal satan and start playing chess?
 
Every rock is directly north of something*. They're all altars to satan!


*Except the rock at the South Pole.
 
Myriad said:
Every rock is directly north of something*. They're all altars to satan!


*Except the rock at the South Pole.
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All relative, though. Depending on how you look at it - if the quickest way north is through the core, then the bottom of the rock is north of the top. If you don't count that, then the edges are farther north than the center, so only the nonexistent point at the middle is truly not north of something else. If you stood on the rock, the whole thing might count as north of you. A polar explorer, in one swell foop, could turn adventure to misadventure, inadvertently Satanizing the entire planet.
 
bruto said:
All relative, though. Depending on how you look at it - if the quickest way north is through the core, then the bottom of the rock is north of the top. If you don't count that, then the edges are farther north than the center, so only the nonexistent point at the middle is truly not north of something else. If you stood on the rock, the whole thing might count as north of you. A polar explorer, in one swell foop, could turn adventure to misadventure, inadvertently Satanizing the entire planet.
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As you know, the pole that runs through the middle of the earth comes out at the top and that's how you can tell it's the North.
 
BStrong said:
He has his place in music history, but he wasn't the king of Delta Blues.

Is musical talent now an indication of satan worship? Should people turn away from musical interest before they go full metal satan and start playing chess?
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I think you'll find he was. He could barely strum two chords together before he went to the crossroads (this is where, traditionally, evil spirits meet [suicides and murderers were buried in such places] and made a faustian pact with whatever he met there. Next thing we knew he was coming out with one amazing song after another and is one of the best blues guitarists of all time, with nary a guitar lesson. He paid the price and was murdered young.

When I visited the USA I had a plan to visit his grave in Greenwood (_sp?) - and also Gram Parsons' at Waycross, Georgia - but hadn't quite realised just how vast the distances are in the US so saw neither.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Are you saying the stone becomes an altar at twelve o'clock? I'm unclear what you're suggesting. Do you have some claim of a ceremony taking place there at noon?
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I don't know but I do know medieval Christians saw North as the realm of the devil.

I should think midnight was more likely as a dark night on a Thursday is when the D rides out.
 
Craig4 said:
None of the reports indicate that Charles engaged in pedophilia. While the mind reels at the shear stupidity of maintaining the relationship with Ball, Ball never got back into full ministry in the COE.

As for Savile, Charles and he supported the same charities. I haven't seen any indications that Charles or anyone on his staff knew the extent of what he was up to. He was generally thought sort of creepy but that doesn't mean they knew about the extent of his sexual assaults.

All of this is bad and people should be held to account. That does not mean it has anything to do with a satanic cult.
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There is an interesting interview with Jimmy Savile, when out of the blue apropos of nothing he said, 'I am the eminence grise, the go-between'.

That is not your usual Yorkshire dialect, is it.

In fact, Savile was a good friend of the Yorkshire Ripper and as well as visiting him in Broadmoor (to which Savile also had free run of the place) tried to get his sentence reduced. A couple of Sutcliffe's victims were murdered within yards of Savile's home and some think he has a connection to Sutcliffe before he was caught.

Likewise, the Moors murderers. Savile bought child porn from a guy who was closely linked to Ian Brady. Brady was a neo-Nazi obsessed with the occult. Some believe Hindley took on a role of high priestess and procured children of which some were sacrificed in occult rituals on the Moors (others, indoors). This is reinforced by a couple of the murders being exactly four months apart, fitting in with pagan seasons. Children say Hindley as a motherly figure, which may be the case with Ghislaine Maxwell as a procurer.

Could Epstein have been a similar eminence grise to Savile, i.e., procuring young teens for others* as well as himself whilst enjoying immunity from prosecution?

*Two doctors at Stoke Manderville who were there the same time as Savile were charged with child sex offences. One topped himself (like Epstein) and the other was charged, found guilty and jailed.
 
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Vixen said:
I don't know but I do know medieval Christians saw North as the realm of the devil.

I should think midnight was more likely as a dark night on a Thursday is when the D rides out.
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But the stone is not there to indicate North. It's there to indicate noon, when the sun is due South and the gnomon's shadow points to the stone.

If you wanted an altar for midnight ceremonies, putting it on a sundial would make you look like some kind of idiot who really hadn't thought it through.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
But the stone is not there to indicate North. It's there to indicate noon, when the sun is due South and the gnomon's shadow points to the stone.

If you wanted an altar for midnight ceremonies, putting it on a sundial would make you look like some kind of idiot who really hadn't thought it through.
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No, see, you're getting it wrong.

Obviously, when you can no longer see the stone that means it's midnight!

Perfectly sensible!
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Vixen said:
I think you'll find he was. He could barely strum two chords together before he went to the crossroads (this is where, traditionally, evil spirits meet [suicides and murderers were buried in such places] and made a faustian pact with whatever he met there. Next thing we knew he was coming out with one amazing song after another and is one of the best blues guitarists of all time, with nary a guitar lesson. He paid the price and was murdered young.
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Please tell me you're joking...
 
Vixen said:
I think you'll find he was. He could barely strum two chords together before he went to the crossroads (this is where, traditionally, evil spirits meet [suicides and murderers were buried in such places] and made a faustian pact with whatever he met there. Next thing we knew he was coming out with one amazing song after another and is one of the best blues guitarists of all time, with nary a guitar lesson. He paid the price and was murdered young.


When I visited the USA I had a plan to visit his grave in Greenwood (_sp?) - and also Gram Parsons' at Waycross, Georgia - but hadn't quite realised just how vast the distances are in the US so saw neither.
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It appears that religion isn't the only myth you buy into. FTR, Every musician starts out at -0-. There are no exceptions past bonafide prodigies. There are a whole list of musicians that "came out of nowhere" according to the public that spent 10+ years in the musical trenches before they were "discovered" and became big attractions.

Here's RJ's lyrics for Crossroads Blues. Please indicate the part where RJ sells his soul:

I went to the crossroad, fell down on my knees
I went to the crossroad, fell down on my knees
Asked the Lord above "Have mercy, now save poor Bob, if you please"

Yeoo, standin' at the crossroad, tried to flag a ride
Ooo eeee, I tried to flag a ride
Didn't nobody seem to know me, babe, everybody pass me by

Standin' at the crossroad, baby, risin' sun goin' down
Standin' at the crossroad, baby, eee, eee, risin' sun goin' down
I believe to my soul, now, poor Bob is sinkin' down

You can run, you can run, tell my friend Willie Brown
You can run, you can run, tell my friend Willie Brown
That I got the crossroad blues this mornin', Lord, babe, I'm sinkin' down

And I went to the crossroad, mama, I looked east and west
I went to the crossroad, baby, I looked east and west
Lord, I didn't have no sweet woman, ooh well, babe, in my distress


Here's a link to an article examining the "sold his soul" myth:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robert-johnson-and-the-my_b_1628118

Johnson never claimed to have made a pact with the devil; that boast was actually made by Tommy Johnson, known for his own intricate guitar playing on songs like “Canned Heat Blues.” According to LaVere, “the crossroads story was also told by [guitarist] Ike Zinermon, Robert’s primary mentor, and for Robert Johnson by Son House during interviews in the mid-1960s.”

RJ was not murdered. The above linked article includes a description of his death. If you've got a simple fact like that wrong..

ETA - Joe Bonamassa's take:

https://jbonamassa.com/robert-johnson-crossroads-devil-myth/

Written and recorded by Delta-blues master Robert Johnson in 1936, it is near impossible to separate the harrowing song from the grand mythology of Johnson’s life-changing encounter with the devil. Although the tune doesn’t specifically reference the devil, there is an air of menace and demonic power all about the tortured performance by the legendary blues figure. The song is a staple in the blues and rock repertoire, and those who have been influenced by it have churned out a seemingly infinite string of cover performances of this unrelenting masterpiece.
 
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