Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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cullennz said:
Yeah ok

From what I have seen US politics is almost mostly personality politics from both sides.

You just happen to have an orange, bigoted, full of himself nutcase that is better at it at the mo' and will probably win the next election.

Tough luck.

But he can't do that much damage
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W T effing F?!
 
Trump remarks about impeachment during a meeting with Paraguayan President Mario Abdo Benítez at the White House:

"It's a scam, it's something that shouldn't be allowed, and it's a very bad thing for our country, and you're trivializing impeachment," the president said in the Oval Office. "And I tell you what, some day there will be a Democrat president and there will be a Republican House, and I suspect they're going to remember it."
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I'm guessing that Trump just doesn't get the idea that, when that day comes, a Democratic president will be able, because of the precedent he is setting with his own impeachment, to tell the Republicans to go fish. I think Republican senators, representatives, etc., do get that idea, but their plan is to burn that bridge when they get to it- all they're really concerned with right now is the right now. Certainly nothing has stopped the likes of Lindsey Graham from completely disregarding how their own previous positions and words apply to what they're saying and doing now.
 
turingtest said:
I'm guessing that Trump just doesn't get the idea that, when that day comes, a Democratic president will be able, because of the precedent he is setting with his own impeachment, to tell the Republicans to go fish.
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Maybe he gets it, maybe he doesn't; he doesn't care. For Trump, everything is about Trump. "A future Democrat president" is an abstract concept of someone who isn't Trump, and how Trump's current actions may affect how that future not-Trump interacts with a future Congress (made up of more not-Trumps) is less interesting to him than whether there's a dandelion on the White House lawn.

I think Republican senators, representatives, etc., do get that idea, but their plan is to burn that bridge when they get to it- all they're really concerned with right now is the right now. Certainly nothing has stopped the likes of Lindsey Graham from completely disregarding how their own previous positions and words apply to what they're saying and doing now.
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Yeah . . . I think at least some of the Republicans in Congress view the situation with alarm but also feel trapped in a bad situation.
 
cullennz said:
Yeah ok

From what I have seen US politics is almost mostly personality politics from both sides.

You just happen to have an orange, bigoted, full of himself nutcase that is better at it at the mo' and will probably win the next election.

Tough luck.

But he can't do that much damage
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He can't? Care to explain your idea of "damage"?
 
Trump tweets

“There are 31 House Democrats in Trump won Congressional Districts. Those Dems will have to answer to their constituents come 2020. If you look at the facts, there’s no crime, there’s no witness, there’s no evidence, there’s no victim, President Zelensky said there was....

....absolutely no pressure. I don’t know of any crime that was committed where the actual victim wasn’t aware of it....and, they got the call, they got the meeting, and they got the money. Unbelievably, the Democrats have weaponized the Impeachment process, they have...

...trampled on our Constitution, and they have done irreparable harm to our Republic. The American people are going to speak up and speak out about this. I think this guarantees Trump’s re-election in 2020.” @Jason_Meister
 
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Trump Retweeted

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Enough! These Democrats in Trump districts said they were with @realDonaldTrump. They lied! - Now now its time to hear from OUR MOVEMENT. Here’s a complete thread of their handles & phone #s. Call non-stop, tweet at them, tell them this will NOT STAND & you’ll remember in Nov! RT
 
wasapi said:
He can't? Care to explain your idea of "damage"?
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It's utterly mind-boggling when people say this sort of thing.

- As if boosting Russia and crapping on Ukraine/NATO doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if Ukrainians dying during the time period when aid was help for the shakedown doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if putting kids in cages with improper care doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if rolling back rules that protect the environment doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if appointing judges with no judicial experience, based on ideology alone, doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if getting rolled by Turkey with respect to the Kurds doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if pulling out of Syria without so much as notifying NATO allies doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if exhorting his supporters to beat lawful protesters (and the supporters complied!) doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if he isn't viewed world over as a moron and clown, and that doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if lying to a phenomenal extent about everything hasn't legitimized an alternate reality bubble, and that doesn't qualify as damage.

I could go on at astounding length. One more...

- As if there's no such thing as damage. It's a mythological concept.
 
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So are Donald and Donnie Jr. talking about the same people? Dad says people who voted for Trump who also come from districts that flipped from Republican to Democratic in 2018 will feel betrayed. And Junior is less clear; he says people who live in those districts should rant at their congressmen. I think. He doesn't say anything about Congress; it sounds like he is urging harassment of such voters. Which can't be right. At any rate, harassing Dem congressmen is probably not going to help.

Unhinged. Donnie Jr. more than Dad at this point but Trump tweeted him.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Enough! These Democrats in Trump districts said they were with @realDonaldTrump. They lied! - Now now its time to hear from OUR MOVEMENT. Here’s a complete thread of their handles & phone #s. Call non-stop, tweet at them, tell them this will NOT STAND & you’ll remember in Nov! RT
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Are there really Dems congressmen who said they were with Trump? And why does he sign off with "Russia Today"?
 
Paul2 said:
Rachel Maddow just broadcast one of her most brilliant pieces. I have my complaints against her, but what she just did was ********** great.

She talked about a Republican Congressman named Langrebe who was such a Nixon loyalist that he voted against accepting the congressional report on Nixon’s impeachment - which was released about 10 days *after* Nixon had resigned. And *he* said that he might think Nixon should resign *only* if there was some evidence of foreign influence into the issue. That’s how radical our current Republicans have become.

And the look on her face after she laid that out was priceless.

: clap :
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Was it the look of someone who has discovered The One Thing That Will Finally End Trump? Because you totally make it sound like that kind of look.
 
varwoche said:
It's utterly mind-boggling when people say this sort of thing.

- As if boosting Russia and crapping on Ukraine/NATO doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if Ukrainians dying during the time period when aid was help for the shakedown doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if putting kids in cages with improper care doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if rolling back rules that protect the environment doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if appointing judges with no judicial experience, based on ideology alone, doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if getting rolled by Turkey with respect to the Kurds doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if pulling out of Syria without so much as notifying NATO allies doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if exhorting his supporters to beat lawful protesters (and the supporters complied!) doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if he isn't viewed world over as a moron and clown, and that doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if lying to a phenomenal extent about everything hasn't legitimized an alternate reality bubble, and that hasn't caused damage.
I could go on at astounding length. One more...

- As if there's no such thing as damage. It's a mythological concept.
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On the highlighted one- and braying "fake news!" at everything that threatens the view in that bubble, making it impossible to penetrate it (even assuming the folks in it ever want out). That, IMO, is damage- it's one thing for your average dumb-bell CTist to buy into this sort of reality-proof worldview, it's another when it's the President of the U.S. selling it, for no other reason than the protection it affords him. You can see this sort of idiot's synergy at Trump's rallies (what Seth Myers calls "group therapy sessions with his fawning admirers")- reality need not apply when you've completely de-legitimized the avenues that may supply it.
 
varwoche said:
It's utterly mind-boggling when people say this sort of thing.

- As if boosting Russia and crapping on Ukraine/NATO doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if Ukrainians dying during the time period when aid was help for the shakedown doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if putting kids in cages with improper care doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if rolling back rules that protect the environment doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if appointing judges with no judicial experience, based on ideology alone, doesn't qualify as damage. - As if getting rolled by Turkey with respect to the Kurds doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if pulling out of Syria without so much as notifying NATO allies doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if exhorting his supporters to beat lawful protesters (and the supporters complied!) doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if he isn't viewed world over as a moron and clown, and that doesn't qualify as damage.
- As if lying to a phenomenal extent about everything hasn't legitimized an alternate reality bubble, and that hasn't caused damage.

I could go on at astounding length. One more...

- As if there's no such thing as damage. It's a mythological concept.
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The highlighted is the most severe of the longterm damage Trump is doing. But replacing him with Pence won't change it. And in fact, any other Republican President would have appointed the same bunch of clowns and losers. Trump isn't coming up with judicial nominees based on his knowledge of them. It's the Federalist Society.
 
Linsey Graham just said this: “I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here.”

Seeing as how the Senate will be conducting a trial in which the “jurors” will have to affirm they will be impartial, it seems incumbent on both Graham and McConnell to recuse themselves.

I’m just wondering if the Chief Justice can exclude them as jurors, as would be automatic in any “normal” trial.
 
Minoosh said:
Are there really Dems congressmen who said they were with Trump? And why does he sign off with "Russia Today"?
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I've just looked at a Bloomberg article that looks at this issue a lot more calmly. Such Dems are "vulnerable" so that's a real thing. But I don't think those reps ever told voters they were "with Trump" - just that at the time they did not favor impeachment.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Linsey Graham just said this: “I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here.”

Seeing as how the Senate will be conducting a trial in which the “jurors” will have to affirm they will be impartial, it seems incumbent on both Graham and McConnell to recuse themselves.

I’m just wondering if the Chief Justice can exclude them as jurors, as would be automatic in any “normal” trial.
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As well as Rand Paul.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump tweets

“There are 31 House Democrats in Trump won Congressional Districts. Those Dems will have to answer to their constituents come 2020. If you look at the facts, there’s no crime, there’s no witness, there’s no evidence, there’s no victim, President Zelensky said there was....

....absolutely no pressure. I don’t know of any crime that was committed where the actual victim wasn’t aware of it....and, they got the call, they got the meeting, and they got the money. Unbelievably, the Democrats have weaponized the Impeachment process, they have...

...trampled on our Constitution, and they have done irreparable harm to our Republic. The American people are going to speak up and speak out about this. I think this guarantees Trump’s re-election in 2020.” @Jason_Meister
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True to form, revenge is his top priority.
 
theprestige said:
Was it the look of someone who has discovered The One Thing That Will Finally End Trump? Because you totally make it sound like that kind of look.
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I interpreted it as the look of, "If the most conservative conservative who wouldn't even vote for the congressional report on Watergate after Nixon left office thinks soliciting foreign influence is impeachable, how funny some current Republicans in Congress don't." She is under no delusion, it appears, that it is likely that something can dissuade the Repubs from their current path (although she does admit that anything can happen, so stay tuned).

"Blind impeachment resistance not novel to Trump Republicans" timestamp = 3:40. Watch the entire 3:53 segment for full effect.

Here's a screenshot of the look:
 

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theprestige said:
Was it the look of someone who has discovered The One Thing That Will Finally End Trump? Because you totally make it sound like that kind of look.
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This whimsical dismissal is so indirect that it's comical. All we need to do is top it with...

You totally make it sound like Kevin Bacon said that...
 
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