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14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump

theprestige said:
"Now, Little Johnny, you didn't attack this boy because of his politics, did you? If you had, that would be a much, much more serious problem. Do you understand, Little Johnny?"

"Oh! Yes, sir! I understand completely! No sir, this wasn't about politics at all, I swear!"

Assuming the school administration was even competent enough to get a meaningful interview with the assailants in the first place. Knowing the state of American education, the school's account is probably just as much of an ass pull as their student competency scores.
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So the lack of evidence is proof that the evidence existed.

If the kids don't confirm the anti-Trump narrative, then it's an indication that they were coached to deny it. Just like a Ph.D. physicist explaining that rockets do work in a vacuum is evidence that the Freemason Reptiloids have threatened him/her into confirming the Official Narrative.
 
bluesjnr said:
If it were 100% true and rolled out as simply as we're lead to believe, then plenty on here, according the rhetoric I've read, would completely endorse this beating.
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I don't endorse anyone beating anyone else for anything. Beating people is uniformly bad. However the word of Trumptrash isn't as valuable or trustworthy as an American's. Their kind come with the presumption of dishonesty. If real Americans confirm the boy was beaten because of his Trump support, no one should encourage that and it would not change my belief that the assailants should be punished.
 
wasapi said:
This. This. This. Very insightful. Those who are going for a 'pay day' are an irksome group. I knew someone a few years ago who made a list of high end stores that had escalators or stairs she could pretend to injure herself while shopping.

So low, so wrong.
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I think we should also consider the possibility that the mother of the victim really does believe that her son was targeted because of their political position. People at the extreme ends of politics seem to need to demonize those on the opposite side. It's disturbingly like religion in that sense. If you have a prominent bumper sticker endorsement on your car and someone cuts you off in traffic, then it must have been because they hate your candidate and anyone supporting him/her.

She could be wrong and know she's wrong. But it seems quite plausible to me that she could be wrong but believe she's right, having jumped to a conclusion that justifies her beliefs about herself and others.

And I have to make some provision that the child's past display of a Trump hat played some role in the assault, although it seems to be poorly supposed by the available evidence.
 
Giz said:
Is it justifiable to punch trump supporters?
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No. Not for being a Trump supporter. If you were assaulted by someone for most any reason, you'd be justified in defending yourself, but you can't just haul off and hit people because you don't like their beliefs.
 
theprestige said:
Did you not notice the thread started with exactly such a display of skepticism?
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Indeed I notice a few cautionary comments. However it is also obvious to me that there is a total lack in this thread of the sustained, intense questioning of the narrative and repeated calling into doubt the statements by the apparent victims that I have seen on every “while Black” and police misconduct thread. It is human nature of course to question and try to deny that which opposes one’s world view. It works in us all; I was only pointing it out because not everyone is self-aware of this.
 
Can we not poison 14 year olds minds with MAGA rhetoric in the first place?

The conflict could have been avoided.
 
theprestige said:
Did you not notice the thread started with exactly such a display of skepticism?
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Giordano said:
Indeed I notice a few cautionary comments. However it is also obvious to me that there is a total lack in this thread of the sustained, intense questioning of the narrative and repeated calling into doubt the statements by the apparent victims that I have seen on every “while Black” and police misconduct thread. It is human nature of course to question and try to deny that which opposes one’s world view. It works in us all; I was only pointing it out because not everyone is self-aware of this.
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The title of thread is "14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump".

Declaring an unsubstantiated claim as fact is the antithesis of skepticism, even if you pay lip service to doubting that claim later on in a notably less declarative way.

But of course, this thread isn't about skeptically investigating the veracity of a claim.

It's about pushing right wing propaganda.
 
Giz said:
Is it justifiable to punch trump supporters?
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Foster Zygote said:
No. Not for being a Trump supporter. If you were assaulted by someone for most any reason, you'd be justified in defending yourself, but you can't just haul off and hit people because you don't like their beliefs.
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And we now see that the propaganda has done its job.

We've gone from "Was someone beaten for being a Trump supporter?" to "Is it okay to beat someone for being a Trump supporter?" thus making the seamless transition into the fictional right wing narrative that politically-motivated violence comes predominantly from the left.
 
Giordano said:
Indeed I notice a few cautionary comments. However it is also obvious to me that there is a total lack in this thread of the sustained, intense questioning of the narrative and repeated calling into doubt the statements by the apparent victims that I have seen on every “while Black” and police misconduct thread. It is human nature of course to question and try to deny that which opposes one’s world view. It works in us all; I was only pointing it out because not everyone is self-aware of this.
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Really? I see virtually every poster being highly skeptical of the narrative here. Some seem to outright dismiss it. Which is great, to see this sudden onset skepticism. Those of us who are highly critical of narratives that require buying into assumptions in advance are heartened by this sudden turn of events. I look forward to seeing it elsewhere on the forum.

Why do you suppose posters have abruptly found critical eyes on this thread, in contrast to one where the narrative demands that the negative actions were fueled by racism? Say, for example, the recent Buffalo Wild Wings thread, where the narrative was that management supported the racist customers, but it turned out that employees provoked a racially charged incident on their own?
 
Venom said:
Can we not poison 14 year olds minds with MAGA rhetoric in the first place?

The conflict could have been avoided.
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That road leads to madness. We can't predicate not hitting people based on their beliefs no matter how offensive. It's got to start and stop with, "You don't hit people."
 
Foster Zygote said:
So the lack of evidence is proof that the evidence existed.

If the kids don't confirm the anti-Trump narrative, then it's an indication that they were coached to deny it. Just like a Ph.D. physicist explaining that rockets do work in a vacuum is evidence that the Freemason Reptiloids have threatened him/her into confirming the Official Narrative.
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Rule of So.

I'm actually saying the school's account is no more credible than the mother's.
 
Giordano said:
Indeed I notice a few cautionary comments. However it is also obvious to me that there is a total lack in this thread of the sustained, intense questioning of the narrative and repeated calling into doubt the statements by the apparent victims that I have seen on every “while Black” and police misconduct thread. It is human nature of course to question and try to deny that which opposes one’s world view. It works in us all; I was only pointing it out because not everyone is self-aware of this.
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Do you think that such questioning is appropriate, for stories like these?
 
Craig4 said:
That road leads to madness. We can't predicate not hitting people based on their beliefs no matter how offensive. It's got to start and stop with, "You don't hit people."
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Point is tho, as already said by others - and yourself - that it has not been shown that this kid was beaten for his beliefs. I feel it's much more likely that he was the victim of bullying and his Trump cultist mother is trying to use her son's distress to score political points like the absolute monster she would have to be to be a Trump cultist in the first place.
 
theprestige said:
Rule of So.

I'm actually saying the school's account is no more credible than the mother's.
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Presumably the school has carefully examined the video. Presumably the school has talked to the bus driver. Presumably the school has talked to the assailants. Presumably the school has talked to the many witnesses.

In short, that's nonsense of a high order.
 
So they were angry enough about a Trump hat to brutally attack him for wearing it, but not until several days later when he wasn't wearing it any more?
 
Checkmite said:
I've watched that awful video several times and I can't see any Trump hats in it anywhere.
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The article is clear that the alleged hat was worn previously, not at the time of the beat down, and that the mother alleges that her son was bullied in an ongoing way since then. Why note that you don't see a hat that is not claimed to be there?
 
Checkmite said:
So they were angry enough about a Trump hat to brutally attack him for wearing it, but not until several days later when he wasn't wearing it any more?
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Kid wears something offensive that makes him an ongoing target for harassment. Not really a stretch.
 
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