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14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump

alfaniner said:
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So, he wasn't actually wearing a Trump 2020 hat, then.

Daily Mail.
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I don't even see his hat in his hand in the video. Maybe Mom's hoping Trump will notice and give them a free trip to his rallies or something. Cynical, I know.
 
William Parcher said:
The same story is being covered by more than 15 other media agencies. That doesn't mean that it isn't fake.



May or may not be racially motivated and the apparent skin color of one participant doesn't inform us of much.
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It does when the mother states his attackers were black.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't even see his hat in his hand in the video. Maybe Mom's hoping Trump will notice and give them a free trip to his rallies or something. Cynical, I know.
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He wasn't wearing it and we only have his mother's claims that the bullying started because he had worn it in the past, once.

Again don't want to condone kids fighting but kids do fight and one wonders if the mother's comments are an accurate reflection of the circumstances. Given she is a fervent Trump supporter that supports things such as the QAnon conspiracy theory I think it may be possible that she may be slightly biased?
 
Darat said:
It's a fight between kids, how is there any culpability for the driver and so on?
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I think if a fight just broke out, the driver might have little or no culpability.

But if there were a pattern of misbehavior on the bus that led to the fight, then it might be different. If the driver knew of, or should have known of an escalating pattern of conflict on the bus and didn't take any action (addressing the children, or reporting the behavior to school officials who could address such behavior) then the lawyer may have something to chew on.

Or it could just be a confrontational parent being confrontational. Hard to say.
 
I look forward to a long series of skeptical posts questioning if it happened as described and/or if the motivation was truly anti-Trump. Most likely from the members who provide similar cautions (not jumping to conclusions) in the "... while Black" and police-initiated violence threads.
 
crescent said:
I think if a fight just broke out, the driver might have little or no culpability.

But if there were a pattern of misbehavior on the bus that led to the fight, then it might be different. If the driver knew of, or should have known of an escalating pattern of conflict on the bus and didn't take any action (addressing the children, or reporting the behavior to school officials who could address such behavior) then the lawyer may have something to chew on.

Or it could just be a confrontational parent being confrontational. Hard to say.
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Not only that, where was the driver? It went on for quite a while. The driver has to have control of the kids on their bus. Those kids need to be banned from riding the bus.
 
Giordano said:
I look forward to a long series of skeptical posts questioning if it happened as described and/or if the motivation was truly anti-Trump. Most likely from the members who provide similar cautions (not jumping to conclusions) in the "... while Black" and police-initiated violence threads.
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You know there's a video, right?
 
New York Post said:
...In a statement, school officials said the student’s Trump hat had nothing to do with the assault.

“The incident began with a verbal altercation between two students that escalated when additional students became involved,” the statement said.

The fight was an isolated matter totally unrelated to political statements or agendas, superintendent Rex Mitchell said.

“We absolutely do not condone the use of physical force between students,” Mitchell said. “This was an unfortunate incident that we take very seriously as the safety and welfare of the students is always our top priority.”

Five juveniles have been charged with first-degree misdemeanor battery in the incident, the Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office announced Friday, while citing “some misinformation” that was shared along with the video.

The attack also did not meet criteria for a hate crime, sheriff’s officials said...
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https://nypost.com/2019/12/13/flori...eled-on-school-bus-for-wearing-trump-2020-hat
 
Giordano said:
I look forward to a long series of skeptical posts questioning if it happened as described and/or if the motivation was truly anti-Trump. Most likely from the members who provide similar cautions (not jumping to conclusions) in the "... while Black" and police-initiated violence threads.
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You mean questioning a narrative? Asking if this Trump activist mom's explanation is credible? Why wouI'd we not expect this?

It looks like the kid got royally worked over. Don't see what a hat has to do with anything. The mother could be heartlessly using this beating to pump her political position, or the kid could be a punk that picked a fight himself, or the narrative could be standalone accurate. Evidence as-is, not enough to make a call, but certainly not enough to buy into her version.

As you say, a skeptical view here is similar to an LWB story. Not enough evidence to support the narrative.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You know there's a video, right?
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As has been true of almost all the ...”while Black” and police encounter videos. Speculation as to what happened before the start or out of the video frame is the usual basis of how the initial narrative has been questioned, or questioning if an individual is actually thinking what their actions suggest.
 
Thermal said:
You mean questioning a narrative? Asking if this Trump activist mom's explanation is credible? Why wouI'd we not expect this?
It looks like the kid got royally worked over. Don't see what a hat has to do with anything. The mother could be heartlessly using this beating to pump her political position, or the kid could be a punk that picked a fight himself, or the narrative could be standalone accurate. Evidence as-is, not enough to make a call, but certainly not enough to buy into her version.

As you say, a skeptical view here is similar to an LWB story. Not enough evidence to support the narrative.
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Exactly.
 
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