The Trump Presidency: Part 18

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Why does Trump get out of it?

What do they teach in such a class: Common sense or how to have a conscience?

I can't imagine there is much to teach.

Maybe it's like detention in school when you mess up.
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Agreed. You can teach ethics until you're blue in the face but you can't teach people to give a damn.
 
Stacyhs said:
There are some religious nuts who would actually support that. You know, good Christians like Theodore Shoebat who said on his website:



Several Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Pakistan, actually do punish atheism with death.
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Nigeria is not a Muslim country (some states in Nigeria may be predominantly Islamic). Pakistan does not have the death penalty for atheism. The main issue in Pakistan is being accused of blasphemy (in which atheism might be included). In general in Islamic countries being an atheist is not an issue, promoting it may be. The main issue is apostasy, giving up being a muslim; not becoming an atheist, the penalties would be the same if you still believed in God but in the Christian God, or The All Father, or Krishna. It is the unbelief in Allah that is the issue.
 
Here's a couple of paragraphs written by Max Boot at WaPo about the consequences of Trump's defaming people:

We are so used to the venomous way Trump tweets and talks that we have forgotten how unprecedented, appalling and unhinged this actually is. No president has ever reviled so many individual Americans by name. President Dwight D. Eisenhower was more respectful in discussing convicted atomic spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg than Trump has been in referring to dedicated law enforcement professionals who have served our country for decades.

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In essence, these law enforcers [Barr, et. al.] have little choice but to stoically suffer continuing character assassination from a lawless president and his shameless lackeys. This is far from the worst abuse of this horror show of a presidency, but it is bad enough that it deserves to be remembered among Trump’s most despicable acts.
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President Trump will sign an executive order defining Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, thus bolstering the Education Department's efforts to stamp out "Boycott Israel" movements on college campuses
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https://nyti.ms/2P97cuv

Will Jews who live in America no longer be American?
Or will they have dual citizenship?
 
Stacyhs said:
I honestly cannot understand how any self-respecting woman could support this jerk. If he were a Democrat, I still could never support him and maintain any respect for myself.
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I don't understand how any self respecting human being could support him.
 
Planigale said:
Nigeria is not a Muslim country (some states in Nigeria may be predominantly Islamic). Pakistan does not have the death penalty for atheism. The main issue in Pakistan is being accused of blasphemy (in which atheism might be included). In general in Islamic countries being an atheist is not an issue, promoting it may be. The main issue is apostasy, giving up being a muslim; not becoming an atheist, the penalties would be the same if you still believed in God but in the Christian God, or The All Father, or Krishna. It is the unbelief in Allah that is the issue.
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Nigeria is about 50% Muslim with the northern states being predominantly Muslim.

Overall statistics indicate that about 50% of the population are Muslim,with a majority practicing the Sunni branch of the faith. About 40% areChristian and about 10% practice traditional African religions or no religion at all.
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Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-RELIGIONS.html#ixzz67ppqaOfE

I think you're splitting hairs by saying atheism isn't the problem, it's blasphemy. While technically true, saying there is no God is blasphemy and that is punishable by death. Ayaz Nizami, the Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance pakistan, is being held on charges of blasphemy which has the death penalty.

Atheism in many Islamic countries is not tolerated even if a person is not 'promoting' it.
Such is the case of Ali, a young Tunisian ex-Muslim who was outed in his community, in a public way, as an apostate from Islam. He didn’t deny it and continued to try to live a secular life but was persistently harassed and unable to find work—declined because of his atheism. Like most atheists in Muslim-majority countries, early threats came from family: he was threatened with expulsion from his family home due to his beliefs and the local Muslim community’s pressure on the family, and his father subsequently stopped paying for his university fees and cut him off from interaction with the family.

Ali was subjected to threats of death and injury and was nearly ambushed in the street by would-be assailants who made threatening comments about him being an infidel; his dog was poisoned and killed; later, another poisoning attempt was made on his new dog. His computer was vandalized at school, and other students began shunning and making threatening comments about infidels in class, so he spent a lot of time in isolation feeling fear and anger.
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Stacyhs said:
Nigeria is about 50% Muslim with the northern states being predominantly Muslim.



Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-RELIGIONS.html#ixzz67ppqaOfE

I think you're splitting hairs by saying atheism isn't the problem, it's blasphemy. While technically true, saying there is no God is blasphemy and that is punishable by death. Ayaz Nizami, the Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance pakistan, is being held on charges of blasphemy which has the death penalty.

Atheism in many Islamic countries is not tolerated even if a person is not 'promoting' it.

https://centerforinquiry.org/news/t...d-as-an-atheist-in-a-muslim-majority-country/
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I make the point because this is special pleading by Atheists. The real issue is religious freedom, the freedom to believe in whichever God or not. The crime is apostasy (as mentioned in your quote above) not atheism. Atheism is just evidence of apostasy, as would be believing in the wrong God.
 
Stacyhs said:
Nigeria is about 50% Muslim with the northern states being predominantly Muslim.



Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-RELIGIONS.html#ixzz67ppqaOfE

I think you're splitting hairs by saying atheism isn't the problem, it's blasphemy. While technically true, saying there is no God is blasphemy and that is punishable by death. Ayaz Nizami, the Vice President of Atheist & Agnostic Alliance pakistan, is being held on charges of blasphemy which has the death penalty.

Atheism in many Islamic countries is not tolerated even if a person is not 'promoting' it.

https://centerforinquiry.org/news/t...d-as-an-atheist-in-a-muslim-majority-country/
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I admit I am really annoyed by how some..by no means all...on the left wing of the political spectrum seem to become de facto apologists for Islamic Fundematalist regimes. Only reason I can see is they view them as some kind of slightly misguided Anti Imperialists".
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The News Media in our Country is FAKE and in many cases, totally CORRUPT!

Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
CNN aired everything Schiff & Nadler had to say. Why aren’t they showing @LindseyGrahamSC? Is it because the facts of how the FBI mistreated @realDonaldTrump contradict their coverage over the last 3 years?
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My wife had CNN on this morning. They were showing Shifty Lindsey asking questions of the IG then interrupting before he could open his mouth.
 
Planigale said:
I make the point because this is special pleading by Atheists. The real issue is religious freedom, the freedom to believe in whichever God or not. The crime is apostasy (as mentioned in your quote above) not atheism. Atheism is just evidence of apostasy, as would be believing in the wrong God.
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This is not special pleading. If you go back to the originating post on this, the topic was atheism. That is the topic my posts were concerning and had nothing to do with Islam or any other religion/group specifically. I was making no special pleading for atheism.

As for 'atheism is just evidence of apostasy", I would disagree. Atheism is a form of apostasy in many countries. Atheism renounces religion which is the very definition of apostasy.
"the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief."

I still assert that you are splitting hairs. But, we'll have to agree to disagree about this as we are in danger of derailing the thread. :D
 
Trebuchet said:
My wife had CNN on this morning. They were showing Shifty Lindsey asking questions of the IG then interrupting before he could open his mouth.
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My nickname for Lindsay is "Richard Rich" after the character in "A Man For All Seasons" who will sell his soul and betray anybody for political advantage and to get on the good side of Henry the VIII.
 
SezMe said:
Here's a couple of paragraphs written by Max Boot at WaPo about the consequences of Trump's defaming people:
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Very interesting. I also read a recent interview with Linda Page, the former FBI lawyer. She has been bashed repeatedly by Trump. When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm, Page said, that was "the straw that broke the camel’s back,” and she decided to finally speak out.

It was fascinating to read, especially what it's like for a private citizen to be called out in personal terms on social media by someone who happens to be president of the United States. She said it's horrible. That almost all of what he has said and written about her was, at best misleading, and at worst, deliberate falsehoods. But!

When you're lying in bed at 1 am thinking it all over -- because you can't get to sleep -- you have to wonder: he IS the president of the United States and he obviously despises me. What can he do to get back at me? What might he do? Would it involve my family? How concerned should I be? How far might he take this?

The other thing is, she cringes when people seem to recognize her on the street. Always fearing they might be some crazy Trump supporter who might do something...crazy. :(

Trump is really garbage.

If it was his buddy in Moscow, sometime in the next couple of years we'd be expecting to read about Linda Page's mysterious death. But Trump is too much of a punk to do something like that as much as he probably would like to.
 
newyorkguy said:
Very interesting. I also read a recent interview with Linda Page, the former FBI lawyer. She has been bashed repeatedly by Trump. When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm, Page said, that was "the straw that broke the camel’s back,” and she decided to finally speak out.

It was fascinating to read, especially what it's like for a private citizen to be called out in personal terms on social media by someone who happens to be president of the United States. She said it's horrible. That almost all of what he has said and written about her was, at best misleading, and at worst, deliberate falsehoods. But!

When you're lying in bed at 1 am thinking it all over -- because you can't get to sleep -- you have to wonder: he IS the president of the United States and he obviously despises me. What can he do to get back at me? What might he do? Would it involve my family? How concerned should I be? How far might he take this?

The other thing is, she cringes when people seem to recognize her on the street. Always fearing they might be some crazy Trump supporter who might do something...crazy. :(

Trump is really garbage.

If it was his buddy in Moscow, sometime in the next couple of years we'd be expecting to read about Linda Page's mysterious death. But Trump is too much of a punk to do something like that as much as he probably would like to.
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No. Then he'd lose her as a punching bag for his 12-year old style of playground bullying. He gets far too much enjoyment out of that. Jerk.
 
dudalb said:
My nickname for Lindsay is "Richard Rich" after the character in "A Man For All Seasons" who will sell his soul and betray anybody for political advantage and to get on the good side of Henry the VIII.
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John Hurt is good with those kind of characters.
 
Planigale said:
I make the point because this is special pleading by Atheists. The real issue is religious freedom, the freedom to believe in whichever God or not. The crime is apostasy (as mentioned in your quote above) not atheism. Atheism is just evidence of apostasy, as would be believing in the wrong God.
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I went to a cathedral once in Iran. One of the tour guides bought a crucifix there - and wore it. If I hadn't known better, I would have sworn he was Mexican.

As the young man at Vank Cathedral told us, he was discriminated against in subtle ways. He couldn't get a government job. Christians also aren't allowed to use certain "Muslim" names. But Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians are officially tolerated. There was even a restaurant run by Hare Krishnas. I never figured that one out.
 
newyorkguy said:
Very interesting. I also read a recent interview with Linda Page, the former FBI lawyer. She has been bashed repeatedly by Trump. When he read text messages between Page and Peter Strzok at a rally in Minneapolis, and pretended to have an orgasm, Page said, that was "the straw that broke the camel’s back,” and she decided to finally speak out.

It was fascinating to read, especially what it's like for a private citizen to be called out in personal terms on social media by someone who happens to be president of the United States. She said it's horrible. That almost all of what he has said and written about her was, at best misleading, and at worst, deliberate falsehoods. But!

When you're lying in bed at 1 am thinking it all over -- because you can't get to sleep -- you have to wonder: he IS the president of the United States and he obviously despises me. What can he do to get back at me? What might he do? Would it involve my family? How concerned should I be? How far might he take this?

The other thing is, she cringes when people seem to recognize her on the street. Always fearing they might be some crazy Trump supporter who might do something...crazy. :(

Trump is really garbage.

If it was his buddy in Moscow, sometime in the next couple of years we'd be expecting to read about Linda Page's mysterious death. But Trump is too much of a punk to do something like that as much as he probably would like to.
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No.

The evidence shows that Trump knows that his Brownshirts are likely to target her for violence.

Trump is a terrorist

And he should be dealt with as one
 
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