Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

A recap for those just tuning in:

Vixen thinks Jeffery Epstein ran a Satanic Cult with global reach. This claim is based on off-the-wall artwork in his home and a variety of sculptures found around his private island.

None of this artwork is Satanic unless you view it through Vixen's version of what Satanism is and thus what is Satanic.

The rest of the claims (secret underground lairs complete with a dock for a submarine, etc) come from Qanon websites, and that pantheon of British journalism, The SUN.

At no point do the actual facts of the Epstein case or cases come into play in this thread unless brought up by others. For some as yet unexplained reason the act of grooming underaged girls and boys to be used as sex -puppets for Epstein and his rich and powerful friends is not evil enough, and a dark supernatural element must be added into the mix. As if Satanism explains everything.
 
Axxman300 said:
A recap for those just tuning in:

Vixen thinks Jeffery Epstein ran a Satanic Cult with global reach. This claim is based on off-the-wall artwork in his home and a variety of sculptures found around his private island.

None of this artwork is Satanic unless you view it through Vixen's version of what Satanism is and thus what is Satanic.

The rest of the claims (secret underground lairs complete with a dock for a submarine, etc) come from Qanon websites, and that pantheon of British journalism, The SUN.

At no point do the actual facts of the Epstein case or cases come into play in this thread unless brought up by others. For some as yet unexplained reason the act of grooming underaged girls and boys to be used as sex -puppets for Epstein and his rich and powerful friends is not evil enough, and a dark supernatural element must be added into the mix. As if Satanism explains everything.
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The vibe I'm getting from Vixen is like certain fundamentalist Christian sects that believe anyone not worshiping their god in their way are, in fact, worshiping Satan.

Even the idea that fans of some Celebrity are by their 'devotion' worshiping Satan. The "you worship whats on your mind" is also Satan.
 
The Greater Fool said:
The vibe I'm getting from Vixen is like certain fundamentalist Christian sects that believe anyone not worshiping their god in their way are, in fact, worshiping Satan.

Even the idea that fans of some Celebrity are by their 'devotion' worshiping Satan. The "you worship whats on your mind" is also Satan.
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I don't want to get into theological argument here but didn't Satan say to Jesus in the desert (for 40 days and 40 nights) come up to the top of this mount and look at the sight of the cities spread out ahead of you; all this could be yours if you bow down and worship me. The hidden message here is that Satan owns the world (material things) which he tempts people with in exchange for wealth and material stuff.

Just because you don't believe in the philosophy of good and bad it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

We are all on this earth for a very short time. It can be meaningless as it is for an animal or it can be on a higher consciousness.
 
Axxman300 said:
A recap for those just tuning in:

Vixen thinks Jeffery Epstein ran a Satanic Cult with global reach. This claim is based on off-the-wall artwork in his home and a variety of sculptures found around his private island.

None of this artwork is Satanic unless you view it through Vixen's version of what Satanism is and thus what is Satanic.

The rest of the claims (secret underground lairs complete with a dock for a submarine, etc) come from Qanon websites, and that pantheon of British journalism, The SUN.

At no point do the actual facts of the Epstein case or cases come into play in this thread unless brought up by others. For some as yet unexplained reason the act of grooming underaged girls and boys to be used as sex -puppets for Epstein and his rich and powerful friends is not evil enough, and a dark supernatural element must be added into the mix. As if Satanism explains everything.
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I was putting it forward as a hypothesis as it is starkly obvious to me a conspiracy of a large number of people in positions of power. If these people can simply acquire sex any time they want, they obviously did not need to associate with Epstein to get it.

With Epstein they got authorised orgies in authorised (ritualistic) settings.
 
Vixen said:
I don't want to get into theological argument here but didn't Satan say to Jesus in the desert (for 40 days and 40 nights) come up to the top of this mount and look at the sight of the cities spread out ahead of you; all this could be yours if you bow down and worship me. The hidden message here is that Satan owns the world (material things) which he tempts people with in exchange for wealth and material stuff.

Just because you don't believe in the philosophy of good and bad it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

We are all on this earth for a very short time. It can be meaningless as it is for an animal or it can be on a higher consciousness.
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******** come in all types, but every single time someone played the satan worshiper child abuse card with our department the evidence collected never supported the SW narrative.

Our agency successfully investigated serious child molestation cases that went to trial and ended in convictions but no allegation of satanic abuse or satanic ritual abuse has ever proved out - and in a couple of those cases it was clear from investigating the claim and the evidence that the only abuse that took place was in an adult's imagination.

YMMV, but in my pov Epstein et al were/are a bunch of garden variety pedos and it's too bad they didn't organize a nice boat trip for themselves that ended with the intervention of an iceberg.
 
BStrong said:
******** come in all types, but every single time someone played the satan worshiper child abuse card with our department the evidence collected never supported the SW narrative.

Our agency successfully investigated serious child molestation cases that went to trial and ended in convictions but no allegation of satanic abuse or satanic ritual abuse has ever proved out - and in a couple of those cases it was clear from investigating the claim and the evidence that the only abuse that took place was in an adult's imagination.

YMMV, but in my pov Epstein et al were/are a bunch of garden variety pedos and it's too bad they didn't organize a nice boat trip for themselves that ended with the intervention of an iceberg.
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Doesn't add up. IMV it is likely a CIA-Mossad type project, interfering in the operations of another country (US/UK western values). CIA wasn't above MK_Ultra, was it, so fact can be stranger than fiction and often is.
 
Vixen said:
I don't want to get into theological argument here but didn't Satan say to Jesus in the desert (for 40 days and 40 nights) come up to the top of this mount and look at the sight of the cities spread out ahead of you; all this could be yours if you bow down and worship me. The hidden message here is that Satan owns the world (material things) which he tempts people with in exchange for wealth and material stuff.

Just because you don't believe in the philosophy of good and bad it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We are all on this earth for a very short time. It can be meaningless as it is for an animal or it can be on a higher consciousness.
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Where does that come from? Who said that? What does that have to do with your off-the-wall condemnation of every religion or cult that doesn't share your Christian ideas with Satanism?
 
Vixen said:
I don't want to get into theological argument here but didn't Satan say to Jesus in the desert (for 40 days and 40 nights) come up to the top of this mount and look at the sight of the cities spread out ahead of you; all this could be yours if you bow down and worship me. The hidden message here is that Satan owns the world (material things) which he tempts people with in exchange for wealth and material stuff.

Just because you don't believe in the philosophy of good and bad it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

We are all on this earth for a very short time. It can be meaningless as it is for an animal or it can be on a higher consciousness.
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You just landed squarely in fundamentalist country. I knew I had it right. In point of fact, I have a strong sense of your flavor of fundamentalism. You should not be 'associating' with the likes of us, shame on you!

At least I now get why your threads seem to be other worldly. They are. And they just keep on giving.
 
Vixen said:
I don't want to get into theological argument here but didn't Satan say to Jesus in the desert (for 40 days and 40 nights) come up to the top of this mount and look at the sight of the cities spread out ahead of you; all this could be yours if you bow down and worship me.
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No, that was just another of God's lies. His Satan is a caricature of any rational being who opposes His evil designs.

The hidden message here is that Satan owns the world (material things) which he tempts people with in exchange for wealth and material stuff.
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Whereas God threatened them with with eternal damnation if they didn't give up their material stuff, and offered in replacement a lie.

Just because you don't believe in the philosophy of good and bad it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Not me. I absolutely believe. Because I have read the Bible and discerned its true agenda - to trick us into believing that evil is good, to make us distrust our own judgement and put our faith in an evil being who delights in doing horrible things.

We are all on this earth for a very short time. It can be meaningless as it is for an animal or it can be on a higher consciousness.
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Yes, such a short time to correct the evil that God and his followers have done, and no afterlife to look forward to either. We are animals, but our lives are not meaningless.
 
Vixen said:
I was putting it forward as a hypothesis as it is starkly obvious to me a conspiracy of a large number of people in positions of power. If these people can simply acquire sex any time they want, they obviously did not need to associate with Epstein to get it.

With Epstein they got authorised orgies in authorised (ritualistic) settings.
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1. You assume "people in positions of power" can acquire sex "any time they want" but that's not as simple as you seem to think it is. They just don't get on the internet or look through the phone book, introductions have to be made and both sides have to be vetted before a transaction is made.

2. Epstein offered a way around #1. He threw parties where attractive young women were available for "massages" and so on. Also at these parties were other wealthy people. There were many reasons a politician would attend and many more reasons a rich pervert would RSVP Jeffrey.

3. These parties are held in his homes in NYC, Florida, New Mexico, and the US Virgin Islands.

4. Not everyone who attended these parties was there for sex or even knew about that activity.

5. There is no evidence of ritual activity at any of Epstein's properties.

6. You assume that Epstein was hands-on with his Island's decor. In many cases people with his money just hire a landscape artist and interior decorator and give them a budget and tell them to make it look good.
 
Vixen said:
Doesn't add up. IMV it is likely a CIA-Mossad type project, interfering in the operations of another country (US/UK western values). CIA wasn't above MK_Ultra, was it, so fact can be stranger than fiction and often is.
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Now we've arrived in Crazy Town.

First off, Honey Traps are tailored to the target and are carefully set up. Second, Epstein's parties would have been targeted by just about every intelligence service on the globe as many upscale events are because they are great locations to pick up gossip and intelligence.

Nothing about Epstein suggests he was an intelligence asset but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that he was a blackmailer who used people to enrich himself and win favors from others.
 
Axxman300 said:
1. You assume "people in positions of power" can acquire sex "any time they want" but that's not as simple as you seem to think it is. They just don't get on the internet or look through the phone book, introductions have to be made and both sides have to be vetted before a transaction is made.

2. Epstein offered a way around #1. He threw parties where attractive young women were available for "massages" and so on. Also at these parties were other wealthy people. There were many reasons a politician would attend and many more reasons a rich pervert would RSVP Jeffrey.

3. These parties are held in his homes in NYC, Florida, New Mexico, and the US Virgin Islands.

4. Not everyone who attended these parties was there for sex or even knew about that activity.

5. There is no evidence of ritual activity at any of Epstein's properties.

6. You assume that Epstein was hands-on with his Island's decor. In many cases people with his money just hire a landscape artist and interior decorator and give them a budget and tell them to make it look good.
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If you look at parties 'for the rich and famous' you'll see the guys are expected to bring their wives /girlfriends/ first lady / partners along.

With Epstein, guys (like Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz) can just turn up without their SO. (Dershowitz claims he was never alone with Epstein without his wife. Ha! 'He who denies it...')

Likewise look who it is. It is some bum from blue-collar Brooklyn, a would be maths teacher turned trader then partner, zero talent for anything much.

Look next at Jimmy Savile, a mediocre DJ (who unlike Peel, Harris, Freeman and even Tony Blackburn [Motown]) didn't even have good taste in pop music, from a lowly working class area of Yorkshire - Leeds, IIRC, one of the poorest cities in the UK, in terms of slums. No great skill other than tv presenting and even then he was largely overbearing and unbearable. YET. Jimmy Savile was a close friend of Prince Charles, heir apparent.

So, like Jimmy Savile - a prolific and notorious paedophile who was never arrested - Jeffrey Epstein, too, was in the inner circle of the Royal Family, even turning up at Balmoral and Windsor Castle.

Yet all you guys can do is fail to put two and two together, and claim, 'oh he was just a rich old perv.'

Peeps, wake up! It is staring at you.
 
Axxman300 said:
Now we've arrived in Crazy Town.

First off, Honey Traps are tailored to the target and are carefully set up. Second, Epstein's parties would have been targeted by just about every intelligence service on the globe as many upscale events are because they are great locations to pick up gossip and intelligence.

Nothing about Epstein suggests he was an intelligence asset but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that he was a blackmailer who used people to enrich himself and win favors from others.
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No, this wasn't a 'honey trap'. It was a concerted attempt by a non-western intelligence to devalue the social mores of a western one. (Is the hypothesis.)

Robert Maxwell was linked to Mossad long before Epstein came on the scene. So not as far-fetched as you might think. After all, both appeared immune from prosecution until the DAILY MIRROR pensioners kicked up a stink about the emptying of their pension funds. Robert Maxwell had cleared it out and it was only then discovered he'd set up a whole load of fake cardboard cut-out investment companies each transferring money amongst each other that the house of cards collapsed. Daughter Ghislaine pops up a couple of decades later seemingly swimming in money when the family were supposedly bankrupted, so it is likely Maxwell stashed away a few million away from the prying eyes of the Official Receivers and Proceeds of Crime guys.

Ghislaine has never been interviewed nor investigated either.
 
bruto said:
Where does that come from? Who said that? What does that have to do with your off-the-wall condemnation of every religion or cult that doesn't share your Christian ideas with Satanism?
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Whoa! A barrage of straw man arguments! I have the greatest respect for other people's religions. I would never ever mock or show contempt for other people's beliefs. Let's get that straight.
 
The Greater Fool said:
You just landed squarely in fundamentalist country. I knew I had it right. In point of fact, I have a strong sense of your flavor of fundamentalism. You should not be 'associating' with the likes of us, shame on you!

At least I now get why your threads seem to be other worldly. They are. And they just keep on giving.
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Logical fallacy #101 comes along just in time: the ad hominem abuse.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
No, that was just another of God's lies. His Satan is a caricature of any rational being who opposes His evil designs.

Whereas God threatened them with with eternal damnation if they didn't give up their material stuff, and offered in replacement a lie.

Not me. I absolutely believe. Because I have read the Bible and discerned its true agenda - to trick us into believing that evil is good, to make us distrust our own judgement and put our faith in an evil being who delights in doing horrible things.

Yes, such a short time to correct the evil that God and his followers have done, and no afterlife to look forward to either. We are animals, but our lives are not meaningless.
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Yeah! Let's all go back to the Dark Ages when anything goes. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die! Yay!
 
Vixen said:
If you look at parties 'for the rich and famous' you'll see the guys are expected to bring their wives /girlfriends/ first lady / partners along.

With Epstein, guys (like Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz) can just turn up without their SO. (Dershowitz claims he was never alone with Epstein without his wife. Ha! 'He who denies it...')

Likewise look who it is. It is some bum from blue-collar Brooklyn, a would be maths teacher turned trader then partner, zero talent for anything much.

Look next at Jimmy Savile, a mediocre DJ (who unlike Peel, Harris, Freeman and even Tony Blackburn [Motown]) didn't even have good taste in pop music, from a lowly working class area of Yorkshire - Leeds, IIRC, one of the poorest cities in the UK, in terms of slums. No great skill other than tv presenting and even then he was largely overbearing and unbearable. YET. Jimmy Savile was a close friend of Prince Charles, heir apparent.

So, like Jimmy Savile - a prolific and notorious paedophile who was never arrested - Jeffrey Epstein, too, was in the inner circle of the Royal Family, even turning up at Balmoral and Windsor Castle.

Yet all you guys can do is fail to put two and two together, and claim, 'oh he was just a rich old perv.'

Peeps, wake up! It is staring at you.
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What is staring me in the face are guys like Joaquin Guzman, John Gotti, Sam Giancana, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison and a list of other rich and powerful men who had little or no college education and yet somehow came to run syndicates of various size and power.

Many of these guys are ethically challenged but none of them got to the top by Satan worship.
 
Axxman300 said:
What is staring me in the face are guys like Joaquin Guzman, John Gotti, Sam Giancana, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison and a list of other rich and powerful men who had little or no college education and yet somehow came to run syndicates of various size and power.

Many of these guys are ethically challenged but none of them got to the top by Satan worship.
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I think you'll notice from the above list, these guys had great talent, especially in IT. IT guys have amongst the highest IQ's, I read somewhere.

Those guys invented things or dreamt up start ups that become exceedingly popular.

What did Jeffrey Epstein ever do for mankind?

Or come to think of it, Jimmy Savile?
 
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