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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

theprestige said:
To be fair, there's a lot of people trying to distance themselves from Prince Andrew right now, and wondering how well they actually know him. And I can see Donald Trump meeting someone a few times at various functions, without ever really getting to know them.
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Yes, indeed, why would the second son of the Queen of England be memorable at all? I think you're equivocating on the meaning of "know", by the way. Never mind, there's this:

President Donald Trump has claimed that he does not know Prince Andrew, but a recently resurfaced interview with People from 2000 says otherwise, showing Trump describing Andrew as "a lot of fun to be with."

“He’s not pretentious. He’s a lot of fun to be with,” Trump told People in 2000, speaking of Andrew. The article also states that Trump and Andrew, as well as Trump’s then-girlfriend Melania Knauss, had “chatted” at a Halloween costume party hosted by Heidi Klum in New York City in 2000.
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Yeah, but it's important to be "fair" to claims made by Donald Trump, noted fair person and truth teller.
 
Belz... said:
Hopefully you don't think everybody he's even spent time with is part of some sort of conspiracy.



Body language? Next you'll tell me the shape of his skull indicates that he's a pedophile.
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Shows how ignorant you are.

(a) body language is real

(b) a paedophile is a person attracted to little children.
 
zooterkin said:
Yes, indeed, why would the second son of the Queen of England be memorable at all? I think you're equivocating on the meaning of "know", by the way. Never mind, there's this:
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Okay, so Trump knows Prince Andrew well enough to talk to at a costume party. And says nice things about him sometimes. Which, from what we know of Trump, aren't really evidence that he knows sod all about the Prince. Now what? I hope you didn't intend this as a serious counterpoint to the new testimony about the Clintons visiting Epstein's baby-making ranch.
 
carlitos said:
If a ranch doesn't make any babies, is it still a "baby factory ranch?"
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Depends on the context. Apparently Epstein had big plans to run a birthing factory there. The plans never came to fruition, thankfully. I won't complain if you think that doesn't count. I'm still going to use the epithet, though.
 
I'm going to start calling my place the "multi-platinum album recording studio" or maybe "time travel townhouse."
 
carlitos said:
I'm going to start calling my place the "multi-platinum album recording studio" or maybe "time travel townhouse."
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As long as you don't plan on raping little girls to power it, I don't see the problem.

On the other hand, if you do plan on raping little girls to power it, "multi-platinum album recording rape studio" is going to go down in history as a derogatory term for your place, even if you never follow through on those plans.
 
Vixen said:
This is an interesting video which features a body language analysis of Prince Andrew's interview.
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I watched some of it. What I saw focused on his spoken language, not his body language. I'm not really interested in watching the whole thing, it's kind of long. Where does it focus on the body language?
 
Babbylonian said:
So real that it's admissible in court? Or so real that you accept that it's real when it agrees with you?
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Real in the sense that body language experts analysing say, the body language of Trump and Hillary in debate (he was hovering around trying to intimidate her, was he not?) or Prince Andrew's reactions to Emily Maitlis' searching questions can be revealing. For example, the analyst in the youtube above which peeps have condemned without bothering to watch it, succintly points out that Price Andrew in saying he was being honourable (when visiting JE for four days in NY) is saying he still has enough respect for Epstein despite his conviction for underage sex and prostitution procuring. Likewise his look of anxiety every time Maitlis mentions 'party' when there is nothing inherently negative about the word.

Body language can indeed be admissible in court. Police witnesses are trained to be entiely objective. In their notes they will write down appearance of suspect, date, time, demeanour (for example, agitated, confused, drunk, etc), what they say, and so on.

It immediately becomes clear that body language can be objective evidence in court. For example, a policeman in a famous case, testified that when he and a colleague arrived at the scene of a crime, the two persons hanging around outside 'were visibly surprised' to see them.
 
Ziggurat said:
I watched some of it. What I saw focused on his spoken language, not his body language. I'm not really interested in watching the whole thing, it's kind of long. Where does it focus on the body language?
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The sheer look of horror on Prince Andrew's face when Mailtis deliberately exaggerated or overstated a claim as compared to his controlled responses when she aimed at factual points. In other words when refuting something that obviously was not true, his response was an immediate and firm rebuttal as opposed to his humming and hah-ing at other times, for example, about whether he had ever met Virginia Roberts.

I thought it was informative.
 
carlitos said:
Yeah, but it's important to be "fair" to claims made by Donald Trump, noted fair person and truth teller.
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Your point is itself certainly fair; but some things are independently implausible, Trump's self-serving denialism notwithstanding. Epstein was a professional money donor and hobnobber; he met with rich and famous (and not-so) people all the time because that was his business. It is not plausible that every person he met with, even several times, was truly a friend of his; likewise it's not plausible that every person he met with, even several times, even at his island home, was provided with an underage prostitute, or even was aware that's what Epstein was about.

I don't know if Prince Andrew was a donor the same way Epstein was; but his special station is much the same in that his life largely consists of perpetually attending functions and meeting any number of people, sometimes more than once, who don't honestly qualify as "friends" or even "associates" really.
 
carlitos said:
Yeah, but it's important to be "fair" to claims made by Donald Trump, noted fair person and truth teller.
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I'd say it's always important to be fair, but okay, sure. Sarcasm noted. If zooterkin's point was simply to be unfair to Donald Trump, nothing more needs to be said. The thing speaks for itself.
 
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