The Trump Presidency: Part 18

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi just had a nervous fit. She hates that we will soon have 182 great new judges and sooo much more. Stock Market and employment records. She says she “prays for the President.” I don’t believe her, not even close. Help the homeless in your district Nancy. USMCA

Frequently when I channel surf past the Senate coverage on CSPAN, they are pumping federal judges through, one after the other. It takes them about one minute per judge.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.

I doubt Roberts would allow that. Surely at least he is not a yes Trumper.

 

[varwoche]

I keep on saying, if things are as bad as some here say, the only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and learn how to use it, because it will come to an armed struggle.

If the worst comes to be, and the people who value democracy are so few and our dedication so lacking that we're unable to brings thing to a head using non-violent means, then we deserve what we get.

 

[dudalb]

If the worst comes to be, and the people who value democracy are so few and our dedication so lacking that we're unable to brings thing to a head using non-violent means, then we deserve what we get.

I don't disagree, but at times it does comes down to a fight. Non violence does not always work.
We only had one massive breakdown in our (The USA) history where it came down to real serious violence;The Civil War. The question is are we in a similar situation right now.

 

[Bob001]

I don't believe that at all. There are some things that Trump has done that aren't terrible. I think if he's impeached, or if he loses the election, he'll leave without too much fuss. He'll piss and moan about how illegal everything is but I think he'll leave without a hassle.

Some people think there might be a problem, especially if the election is close.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ng-the-law-to-his-will.html?via=recirc_recent
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...voluntarily-if-he-loses-2020-election-1441216

The real worry should be how much damage Trump could do between Nov. 3 and Jan. 20.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

CNBC (Canadian): Trump abruptly cancels NATO news conference after summit turns sour

KEY POINTS
President Donald Trump on Wednesday abruptly canceled a news conference that was scheduled to cap a contentious trip to the U.K. for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s 70th anniversary meeting.
The presser was scheduled to come after a series of bilateral meetings with NATO members, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte.
Hours before it was set to start, video emerged of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau caught on a hot mic apparently mocking Trump.

 

[Segnosaur]

Here is yet another possible example of illegal activity by the Trump administration:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...ly-withholding-puerto-rico-hurricane-n1096421
Democratic lawmakers Thursday accused the Trump administration of "illegally withholding" funding for hurricane recovery efforts in Puerto Rico after missing a legally required deadline to kick off the process three months ago.

Not really sure why they are making an issue of it now rather than when the deadline was first missed. (I guess waiting a short amount of time would have given them some opportunity to fix the problem and avoid accusations of Democrats being over eager to criticize the Trump administration.)

 

[Trebuchet]

Suit alleging private prison company used ICE detainees as 'captive labor force' goes forward.

Not sure if it was in this thread or another, but someone said Trump would re-institute slavery if he could get away with it. He's getting away with it.

 

[varwoche]

I don't disagree, but at times it does comes down to a fight. Non violence does not always work.
We only had one massive breakdown in our (The USA) history where it came down to real serious violence;The Civil War. The question is are we in a similar situation right now.

We will need to be smart and strategic. Random ideas that occur to me (which may lack the aforementioned properties)... Shut down every street block in the country that has a Trump Hotel. That should be pretty easy. Protesters driven away by the law? Back the next day. Fill up the prisons. Shut down entire downtowns. Unload all stock holdings. Withdraw all cash. Massive tax disobedience. Every congressional dem resigns. West coast threatens to secede. West coast secedes. Don't buy My Pillow. Etc.

 

[Aridas]

Not sure if it was in this thread or another, but someone said Trump would re-institute slavery if he could get away with it. He's getting away with it.

To be clear on that, incidentally -

How U.S. Immigration Law Enables Modern Slavery

By tying workers’ residence status to an employer, the visa system leaves many of them vulnerable to exploitation.

There's been a problem for quite a while in a few aspects of US law, especially when it comes to imprisoned people and non-citizens here to work legally (let alone the illegals that were largely attracted by unsavory Republicans offering them jobs and opportunity). That, I don't blame on Trump. The Trump Administration's efforts to exacerbate the problems by making it ever easier to exploit, silence, and effectively enslave the already vulnerable people, however, I do.

 

[Trebuchet]

To be clear on that, incidentally -

How U.S. Immigration Law Enables Modern Slavery

By tying workers’ residence status to an employer, the visa system leaves many of them vulnerable to exploitation.

There's been a problem for quite a while in a few aspects of US law, especially when it comes to imprisoned people and non-citizens here to work legally (let alone the illegals that were largely attracted by unsavory Republicans offering them jobs and opportunity). That, I don't blame on Trump. The Trump Administration's efforts to exacerbate the problems by making it ever easier to exploit, silence, and effectively enslave the already vulnerable people, however, I do.

And that was 2.5 years ago. I expect it's only gotten worse.

 

[dudalb]

We will need to be smart and strategic. Random ideas that occur to me (which may lack the aforementioned properties)... Shut down every street block in the country that has a Trump Hotel. That should be pretty easy. Protesters driven away by the law? Back the next day. Fill up the prisons. Shut down entire downtowns. Unload all stock holdings. Withdraw all cash. Massive tax disobedience. Every congressional dem resigns. West coast threatens to secede. West coast secedes. Don't buy My Pillow. Etc.

Problem is all those steps will result in violence.
West Coast seceding is amusing;will they fire on Alcatraz, which is owned by the Feds, as the first act of the war?

 

[dudalb]

CNBC (Canadian): Trump abruptly cancels NATO news conference after summit turns sour

Old news. GOt huge coverage yesterday.
But yeah, Donnie behaved like a ten year old kid picking up his marbles and going home because he was losing....

 

[varwoche]

Problem is all those steps will result in violence.
West Coast seceding is amusing;will they fire on Alcatraz, which is owned by the Feds, as the first act of the war?

Not so fast. If the resistance is large enough, withdrawing all cash, unloading all stock, and refusing to pay income tax would bring the US economy to its knees. It would effectively shut down the country. Those are non-violent measures that do not invite a violent response. It perplexes me how you overlook this in your reply.

The other measures invite a violent response, but that doesn't mean the resistance needs to be violent. But yeah, succession probably isn't a good idea if the goal is non violence.

I realize these are extreme proposals. Taking up arms is even more extreme.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Old news. GOt huge coverage yesterday.
But yeah, Donnie behaved like a ten year old kid picking up his marbles and going home because he was losing....

I was only putting two and two together, maybe you missed that.

 

[phiwum]

Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.

That's a terrible translation.

Unless, perhaps, the target language isn't English but has lots of words spelled the same as English.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I've Read

Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed...

 

[Ladewig]

We will need to be smart and strategic. Random ideas that occur to me (which may lack the aforementioned properties)... Shut down every street block in the country that has a Trump Hotel. That should be pretty easy. Protesters driven away by the law? Back the next day. Fill up the prisons. Shut down entire downtowns. Unload all stock holdings. Withdraw all cash. Massive tax disobedience. Every congressional dem resigns. West coast threatens to secede. West coast secedes. Don't buy My Pillow. Etc.

How would that help in any way?

 

[Ladewig]

I keep on saying, if things are as bad as some here say, the only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and learn how to use it, because it will come to an armed struggle.

So who is going to be shooting at whom? We are not geographically divided.

ETA
If the ant-intellectuals get violent, they will shoot people who say “whom.”

 

[varwoche]

How would that help in any way?

The context is a future scenario where democracy has broken down so completely that armed resistance is thought to be warranted, but I propose otherwise. Congress is a charade and only serves to prop up the Ivanka Trump "presidency". There's no reason to play the charade. People who are for democracy are part of the resistance.

Or something like that. These are random thoughts involving a dystopian future.

My point is, we shouldn't be so eager to to leap into armed resistance. There are other options.