Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Belz... said:
Now you're playing word games. The Egyptians did not worship Ba'al. It is not an Egyptian deity.

Stop trying to find a way to be correct when you're not.



But that's not what you said. You said the bible 'clearly' referenced Egyptian mythology with the mention of Ba'al. Christians call ALL non-Christian gods by some demonic apellation or another. It's not a clear reference to any specific god or mythology.

Again, you are reaching.
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Vixen?
 
Equating the deity or deities of other people's religions with the evil villain of your own pantheon is a form of bigotry with a pedigree as old as human history.

But Crom, strong in his mountain, pays no heed.
 
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Myriad said:
Equating the deity or deities of other people's religions with the evil villain of your own pantheon is a form of bigotry with a pedigree as old as human history.

But Crom, strong in his mountain, pays no heed.
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Oh, sure, but does Crom have a sidekick with a submarine licence? Hmm?
 
Vixen said:
They all say that but it's just a play on words. I looked up antroposophy and the guy Steiner who formulated it claims to encompass all religions.
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You can call it what you want, but even if they lump a bunch of religions together under theirs, they consider themselves Christians, they espouse a sect called the "Christian Community," they use te Bible and say grace to God's eternal word, and all that stuff, and dollars to donuts whatever you may think of their syncretistic crackpottery, Satanism is not a part of it. Whatever your own sectarian bias, it just plain is not.
 
Belz... said:
Vixen?
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As I already referenced, Belz, Ba'al was worshipped the Middle Egyptian Dynasty circa 1000BC which should cover Moses by the time he led his people out.

Baal was a God of Thunder, originally from western Semitic. He was worshipped in Egypt from the 18th dynasty of the New Kingdom. His name Baal also spelled as Ba'al. ... His cult center was built for him at Baal Saphon near Tanis in the northern Delta.
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http://egyptian-gods.org/egyptian-gods-baal
Egypt: Middle Kingdom and Second Intermediate Period (2050-1550 BC)) The Middle Kingdom is the period in the history of ancient Egypt stretching from the establishment of the Eleventh Dynasty to the end of the Fourteenth Dynasty, between 2050 BC and 1652 BC.
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https://www.cemml.colostate.edu/cultural/09476/egypt02-04enl.html

Moses:

f this is true, then the oppressive pharaoh noted in Exodus (1:2–2:23) was Seti I (reigned 1318–04), and the pharaoh during the Exodus was Ramses II (c. 1304–c. 1237). In short, Moses was probably born in the late 14th century bce.
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https://www.britannica.com/biography/Moses-Hebrew-prophet


In short Ba'al worship in Egypt preceded Moses. Belz?
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bruto said:
You can call it what you want, but even if they lump a bunch of religions together under theirs, they consider themselves Christians, they espouse a sect called the "Christian Community," they use te Bible and say grace to God's eternal word, and all that stuff, and dollars to donuts whatever you may think of their syncretistic crackpottery, Satanism is not a part of it. Whatever your own sectarian bias, it just plain is not.
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If they are 'praying to God's eternal word' they are not Christian. 'God' can mean anything you like.

Steiner's is a lifestyle, rather like mindfulness. He advocates meditation which is clearly 'eastern'.
 
Vixen said:
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The ancient Jews did originally have a female deity who was decisively banished from all mention and it was considered blasphemous to do so.

Your trotting out names means zippo.
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How dare you defile The Lord of All Lighters! Hah!
 
Vixen said:
If they are 'praying to God's eternal word' they are not Christian. 'God' can mean anything you like.
Steiner's is a lifestyle, rather like mindfulness. He advocates meditation which is clearly 'eastern'.
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Certainly Anthroposophy is a lifestyle and an overall way of looking at things, with many subsets, including Waldorf education, biodynamic gardening, eurythmy, an assortment of utter bollocks, and (whether you credit it or not) an actual religious sect that uses a translation of the Bible as a scripture and calls itself Christian. You can call anything anything, of course, and there is nothing, clearly, that prevents anyone from being a fool, but if you call yourself a Christian and use the Bible as your scripture, it takes yet another fool to presume that the God referred to is Satan.
 
Vixen said:
As I already referenced, Belz, Ba'al was worshipped the Middle Egyptian Dynasty circa 1000BC
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Sure, and people move about even in ancient times and surprise, their ideas move with them. 40.000 years ago, people were crossing oceans with apparent aplomb.

Vixen said:
which should cover Moses by the time he led his people out.
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No evidence for Moses or the exodus.


Vixen said:
Moses:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Moses-Hebrew-prophet


In short Ba'al worship in Egypt preceded Moses. Belz?
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So what?

You keep on talking about moses as though he was real.
 
bruto said:
Certainly Anthroposophy is a lifestyle and an overall way of looking at things, with many subsets, including Waldorf education, biodynamic gardening, eurythmy, an assortment of utter bollocks, and (whether you credit it or not) an actual religious sect that uses a translation of the Bible as a scripture and calls itself Christian. You can call anything anything, of course, and there is nothing, clearly, that prevents anyone from being a fool, but if you call yourself a Christian and use the Bible as your scripture, it takes yet another fool to presume that the God referred to is Satan.
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Talk about a circular argument. You were the one who brought up Anthroposophy claiming it was Christian and therefore not satanic. And then you worked yourself up into a rage.
 
abaddon said:
Sure, and people move about even in ancient times and surprise, their ideas move with them. 40.000 years ago, people were crossing oceans with apparent aplomb.

No evidence for Moses or the exodus.


So what?

You keep on talking about moses as though he was real.
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I see. You are one of these people who thinks if you say a thing it becomes so.

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, abaddon, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.


History is just a series of cartoon strips in your blissful world called the realms of Ignorance.

From National Geographic:

The identity of Pharaoh in the Moses story has been much debated, but many scholars are inclined to accept that Exodus has King Ramses II in mind. The Bible confirms that the Israelites were to build “supply cities, Pithom and Ramses, for Pharaoh.” Egyptian records confirm that the kings of the 19th dynasty (ca 1293–1185 B.C.E.) launched a major mili*tary program in the Levant. As part of this effort, King Seti I (ca 1290–1279 B.C.E.) built a new garri*son city, which his successor, Ramses II (ca 1279– 1213 B.C.E.), later called Pi-Ramesses. Ramses II also built a second city dedicated to his personal patron, Atum, called Per Atum. These two cities are quite possibly the biblical Ramses and Pithom.
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Vixen said:
As I already referenced, Belz, Ba'al was worshipped the Middle Egyptian Dynasty circa 1000BC which should cover Moses by the time he led his people out.
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Why can't you own to your mistake? You didn't say that Ba'al was worshipped within Egyptian territory at some point in time. You said that the name Ba'al in the bibble was a clear reference to Egyptian mythology.

That was FALSE. Stop trying to pretend that your claim was about something else that could be technically correct and admit to your mistake.
 
I'm not sure where the thread is going now.

Are we trying to find new definitions for each word in "run a world satanic ring" to see if there's some combination which covers what Epstein did?
 
Belz... said:
Why can't you own to your mistake? You didn't say that Ba'al was worshipped within Egyptian territory at some point in time. You said that the name Ba'al in the bibble was a clear reference to Egyptian mythology.

That was FALSE. Stop trying to pretend that your claim was about something else that could be technically correct and admit to your mistake.
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I stand by it as that is how serious theologians describe it.
 
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