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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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BrooklynBaby said:
Not surprising Democrats support Schiff and his bunker star chamber. Not surprising at all. For some reason, people who have lost their moral compass never seem to realize it until it is too late to unring that bell. You know, having hit it with a sledgehammer, and all...
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I'm curious why you'd bring up morality in defence of a notorious scofflaw like Trump. He will spend the rest of his addled life in lawsuits over the stupid, greedy things he's done as president. It's just sensible damage control to try to get rid of him now, though the cards are stacked against it due to the partisan Senate. You can't blame the honest people for trying.
 
Segnosaur said:
Maybe it's because Canada doesn't want any immigrants from ****-hole countries
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Well, we don't want Republicans, due to sanitary and moral concerns, and I think we'd rather see Democrats stay in their country to fight the good fight. So in sum, yeah.
 
PBS reporter gets the imaginary shoe through the TV tonight. Don't these idiots make any effort whatsoever to actually read the news before they spout ignorance? Pinnacle of lazy.

Reporter (if we can call her that): "Unless something else comes up, the Congress will impeach and the Senate will acquit."

Apparently no one on the panel had heard about Rudy's two arrested friends and the growing scandal with Naftogaz.

The discussion went on about the hearings ending, yadda yadda.

Hello. Nadler has just started. Mon is Dec 1st. The hearings are not ending. :rolleyes:

I posted a long list a couple pages upthread with the same complaint against Turley and Graham.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
PBS reporter gets the imaginary shoe through the TV tonight. Don't these idiots make any effort whatsoever to actually read the news before they spout ignorance? Pinnacle of lazy.

Reporter (if we can call her that): "Unless something else comes up, the Congress will impeach and the Senate will acquit."

Apparently no one on the panel had heard about Rudy's two arrested friends and the growing scandal with Naftogaz.

The discussion went on about the hearings ending, yadda yadda.

Hello. Nadler has just started. Mon is Dec 1st. The hearings are not ending. :rolleyes:
I posted a long list a couple pages upthread with the same complaint against Turley and Graham.
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The Judiciary just gave Trump until Dec 6 to call (or at least identify) witnesses they plan to have testify.
 
Stacyhs said:
And I would bet *********** Donnie won't be among them.
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As he has said, he'd love to testify because his testimony would completely demolish the case for impeachment and have him carried shoulder high out of the impeachment proceedings by a bi-partisan group dazzled by his brilliance and righteousness.

Unfortunately this would set a dangerous precedent for future Presidents and so, for the good of the country and against his own self-interest, he will have to decline. :rolleyes:

...and if you believe that, I have a bridge out back that might interest you.
 
Trebuchet said:
That's what I found as well. All I wanted was to move myself, my wife, and a couple of million dollars in assets into their country, spend my pension and Social Security on their economy, and not take any jobs away from Canadians. Ain't happening.
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The UK is going to need an influx of money soon.
 
smartcooky said:
Firstly, I'm really surprised that Rupert Murdoch would even allow this.
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Murdoch isn't a Trump supporter. He's reportedly thinks Trump is a (and I quote) "******* moron", and also reportedly has personal animosity against him.

Murdoch is a supporter of Murdoch making money. Being biased in favour of Trump makes Fox News a lot of money, so that's what Fox News does.

The instant it becomes more profitable to do something else, they will do something else.

Secondly, if he doesn't give it the axe, does that indicate the beginnings of a change in Faux News policy towards blindly supporting Trump?
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It's been gradual, but that swing has been happening for quite a while now.
 
Trebuchet said:
That's what I found as well. All I wanted was to move myself, my wife, and a couple of million dollars in assets into their country, spend my pension and Social Security on their economy, and not take any jobs away from Canadians. Ain't happening.
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Are you serious? I can't imagine that you couldn't retire to Canada if you have assets and an income. I didn't think we were that exclusive.
 
theprestige said:
I think it's 100% an unproven claim. I don't think there's any more reason to believe it than there is to believe Lindsay Graham.
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I think it is clearer than you think.

1) Is trump alleged to have done something people think is wrong?

Yes. Not even trump seems to think what he is accused of is acceptable.

2) is there evidence for it?

Yes.

3) would pursuing it be in line with legislative checks against the executive?

Yes.

Then its far less evidence for Graham's position.

In that way, we are one step closer to believing the Democrat intent compared to Graham.
 
theprestige said:
I think it's 100% an unproven claim. I don't think there's any more reason to believe it than there is to believe Lindsay Graham.
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There's all sorts of things wrong here.

First, there are many motivations at play. Checks and balances. Constitutional duty. Retaining seat. Partisan gain. Personal animosity. A mix of these factors. This is obvious based on human nature and the large number of people we're talking about.

Second, this is always going to be the case, no matter the party, no matter the underlying facts and extent of POTUS' culpability.

Lindsay Graham talks out both sides of his mouth. This guy makes Eve White seem positively normal. Further, in the surreal reality where Trump's actions don't merit impeachment, Bill Clinton's actions shouldn't have merited a raised eyebrow. Likening Graham's position on Clinton and Dems' position on Trump is high level bogus.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The UK is going to need an influx of money soon.
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That would require taking an airplane. I used to work where they build them.

eerok said:
Are you serious? I can't imagine that you couldn't retire to Canada if you have assets and an income. I didn't think we were that exclusive.
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I didn't get beyond searching on the internet, but you weren't welcoming. They wanted people who had job skills. May have been worried about the effect us oldsters would have on the health care system.
 
The reason I live in WA state is because I tried to move to Canada and they wouldn't let me in. Actually. (Not Canada's fault, not my fault, but the fault of the flakes who were trying to employ me.) Thus began the chapter titled Living in a Motel in White Rock, BC.
 
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eerok said:
Are you serious? I can't imagine that you couldn't retire to Canada if you have assets and an income. I didn't think we were that exclusive.
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Canada gives immigration applicants points for education, work and language skills, assets etc., and you don't get in without enough points. Each province has its own requirements. Retirees don't get a lot of points, even if you've got money in the bank. I'm sure there must be work-arounds, but I suspect they could be expensive and time-consuming. You don't just drive a Uhaul across the border and buy a house.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html
 
theprestige said:
I think it's 100% an unproven claim. I don't think there's any more reason to believe it than there is to believe Lindsay Graham.
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I can understand that. One ought to be skeptical about the political motivations of impeachment.

But it doesn't matter to me whether the Democrats' hearts are pure as the driven snow, selflessly pursuing justice against all self-interest or whether they are devious Machiavellans, seeking impeachment only out of selfish considerations. What matters to me is what Trump did and whether it is an abuse of his office.

I do not think that Trump's scheme had any motivation aside from self-interest. There is no indication of concern about corruption in Ukraine, aside from the fantasies which would benefit him were they to become publicly discussed. He withheld both funds needed for military aid and the White House meeting only to benefit himself, while aiding Ukraine is quite plausibly in the national interest and certainly is what Congress required.

That's enough for me. Trump ought to be impeached and removed. The latter is very unlikely at this point, but that doesn't matter to me.

For what it's worth, whether the Democrats were similarly interested only in political gain or not, I don't anticipate much gain from the impeachment. I think backlash is more likely. It doesn't matter to me, naive idealist that I am, because impeachment is nonetheless the right course. (The Democrats are of course not praiseworthy unless they pursued it because it was the right course, and not because it was motivated by selfish concerns.)
 
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