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House Impeachment Inquiry

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acbytesla said:
I've been thinking about this the last couple of days. But I think the House shouldn't speed Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. Not just yet. Clearly witnesses have implicated that Pompeo, Mulvaney, Perry and Pence were directly involved in the Ukrainian bribery solicitation. And these individuals refuse to comply with subpoenas to appear or produce documents relevant.

The House need to present somehow to the American people the rampant obstruction of justice and why that just as important and just as damning as the bribery.
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:thumbsup:
 
Lurch said:
To not impeach for something as egregious as this--far eclipsing Tricky Dick's foibles--would be tantamount to admitting to history that the rule of law is now dead. If there is any desire to hang onto democracy, this must be done. Even if it is a certainty known beforehand that no conviction would obtain.

It's already bad enough what's going down in US politics. Throwing up one's collective hands in the name of political expediency only gives license to those who would use the precedent ever after, and embolden the US's enemies. There are things *worth* fighting for, even when the odds are against. Not following through now would to some extent warrant for the Democrats the moniker, "Do Nothing Dems."
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Well put, and my sentiments exactly.
 
Lurch said:
To not impeach for something as egregious as this--far eclipsing Tricky Dick's foibles--would be tantamount to admitting to history that the rule of law is now dead. If there is any desire to hang onto democracy, this must be done. Even if it is a certainty known beforehand that no conviction would obtain.

It's already bad enough what's going down in US politics. Throwing up one's collective hands in the name of political expediency only gives license to those who would use the precedent ever after, and embolden the US's enemies. There are things *worth* fighting for, even when the odds are against. Not following through now would to some extent warrant for the Democrats the moniker, "Do Nothing Dems."
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Right.
 
Rudy Giuliani Tweets
@RudyGiuliani


TRUTH ALERT: The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Rudy Giuliani Tweets
@RudyGiuliani


TRUTH ALERT: The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
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Jesus H Christ! He's completely lost it. Oh, and that's extortion.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Rudy Giuliani Tweets
@RudyGiuliani


TRUTH ALERT: The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
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One of the many ways that this is weird.

Trump supporters will cheer this. But there's no way that this can be spun as ethical.

Either Giuliani is hiding information about Biden from the relevant authorities as he says, which is certainly not legal or ethical.

Or he's lying about it

I can't see how a person who is even remotely ethical and rational could see that tweet as a good thing, but 30% of the country absolutely will.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Rudy Giuliani Tweets
@RudyGiuliani


TRUTH ALERT: The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
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Does anyone believe if Rudy actually had dirt on Joe Biden he wouldn't have presented it as of yet?
 
Lurch said:
To not impeach for something as egregious as this--far eclipsing Tricky Dick's foibles--would be tantamount to admitting to history that the rule of law is now dead. ...
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This ^

We have to convince enough GOP Senators that democracy is on trial. That will take convincing the public first and making the Senators feel their seats are at risk.
 
Belz... said:
Are you not the one who brought up overturning the 2016 election?
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Aha, I see your error. It works thusly. Prestige has definitions that are never before seen in the wild of the intertubes. That would be fine were prestige willing to identify what the fudge he was talking about.

On foot of that , he expacts u to somehow know what he really means while refusing to state what he means.

So how is one to deal with that kind of not a claim at all? Simples. Anyone who generates a baseless claim is on the evidential hook front and center for that claim. Given that it is poor form to present shoddy evidence for the claim. Presenting none at all is in an entirely different class.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Rudy Giuliani Tweets
@RudyGiuliani


TRUTH ALERT: The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
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Did . . . Rudy think that Biden was going to throw him under the bus? 'Cause if Rudy told Trump, "If I go down, I'm taking Biden with me," Trump would be pouring cement around Rudy's feet before he finished the sentence.
 
Lurch said:
To not impeach for something as egregious as this--far eclipsing Tricky Dick's foibles--would be tantamount to admitting to history that the rule of law is now dead. If there is any desire to hang onto democracy, this must be done. Even if it is a certainty known beforehand that no conviction would obtain.

It's already bad enough what's going down in US politics. Throwing up one's collective hands in the name of political expediency only gives license to those who would use the precedent ever after, and embolden the US's enemies. There are things *worth* fighting for, even when the odds are against. Not following through now would to some extent warrant for the Democrats the moniker, "Do Nothing Dems."
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So true. Well put. :thumbsup:
 
acbytesla said:
Does anyone believe if Rudy actually had dirt on Joe Biden he wouldn't have presented it as of yet?
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I don't think he has any 'dirt' but if he did, he'd wait until Biden was the Dem nominee and then produce it as a Sept. or Oct. surprise. Why waste it if Biden turns out not to be Trump's opponent in the 2020 race?
 
Stacyhs said:
I don't think he has any 'dirt' but if he did, he'd wait until Biden was the Dem nominee and then produce it as a Sept. or Oct. surprise. Why waste it if Biden turns out not to be Trump's opponent in the 2020 race?
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The whole thing reeks of Trump's ignorance and obsessions with people.
 
Lurch said:
To not impeach for something as egregious as this--far eclipsing Tricky Dick's foibles--would be tantamount to admitting to history that the rule of law is now dead. If there is any desire to hang onto democracy, this must be done. Even if it is a certainty known beforehand that no conviction would obtain.

It's already bad enough what's going down in US politics. Throwing up one's collective hands in the name of political expediency only gives license to those who would use the precedent ever after, and embolden the US's enemies. There are things *worth* fighting for, even when the odds are against. Not following through now would to some extent warrant for the Democrats the moniker, "Do Nothing Dems."
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Others have already agreed, but your point can't be asserted too often in the current climate.


Well said.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Because "Put on a big show of opposing Trump right up until the point it actually matters" is what Republicans scream when they orgasm at this point.
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Roberts blocked the census question. That's more than putting on a show; that's derailing a campaign promise.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Rudy Giuliani Tweets
@RudyGiuliani


TRUTH ALERT: The statement I’ve made several times of having an insurance policy, if thrown under bus, is sarcastic & relates to the files in my safe about the Biden Family’s 4 decade monetizing of his office.

If I disappear, it will appear immediately along with my RICO chart.
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Well, that was certainly unhinged.
 
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