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House Impeachment Inquiry

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d4m10n said:
Among the crazier things I've seen in the last three years: Loads of people arguing that the constitutional passages establishing the Electoral College are completely justified in overturning the popular vote, but the constitutional passages establishing the impeachment process are not justified in overturning the Electoral College.
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Good point. :thumbsup:
 
Nunes gets involved:

A lawyer for an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani tells CNN that his client is willing to tell Congress about meetings the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee had in Vienna last year with a former Ukrainian prosecutor to discuss digging up dirt on Joe Biden.

The attorney, Joseph A. Bondy, represents Lev Parnas, the recently indicted Soviet-born American who worked with Giuliani to push claims of Democratic corruption in Ukraine. Bondy said that Parnas was told directly by the former Ukrainian official that he met last year in Vienna with Rep. Devin Nunes.
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Linky.
 
d4m10n said:
Among the crazier things I've seen in the last three years: Loads of people arguing that the constitutional passages establishing the Electoral College are completely justified in overturning the popular vote, but the constitutional passages establishing the impeachment process are not justified in overturning the Electoral College.
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Removal from office doesn't overturn the election and I don't think the claim that it does is offered here as a serious argument. It's a distraction, as is the bickering over a late mother's wisdom. They are offered in lieu of a serious argument.

The last couple of pages remind me of those baseball at-bats where the real goal is not to get a base hit but to wear down the pitcher. Everyone knows that the pitcher is going to get an out, but the batter wants to make him work for it.
 
quadraginta said:
If, through some unlikely series of events the current crop of GOP Senators feel themselves to be threatened by Trump's continued presence in the White House, then he'll have something to worry about.

They'll turn on him like cornered rats.
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As long as I'm using bad analogies, the saying that a watched pot never boils informs my decision to not watch the impeachment pot. If I look away, surely the pot will boil? Is there going to come a point where senators are going to suddenly lose the ability to keep a straight face? I'd love to Lindsey Graham realize in mid-sentence that this POS president is not worth the attack-dog effort. The downside is just too deep.

I wouldn't even mind if the senators voted for acquittal - as long as they realize that they've gone all-in with someone who is doing his level best to surrender completely to global fascism.

Anyway, that's my fantasy - a scales-falling-from-the-eyes moment.

ETA: I can dream, right?
 
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Oh look, corroborating evidence is not hard to find. Nunes is quite the groupie.

Reuters: Congressman Nunes sought meeting with UK spy chiefs in London

DCCC: Report: Rep. Nunes Schemed With Federally Indicted Giuliani Associate Lev Parnas To Discredit Probe Into President Trump
A new report from the Daily Beast described how Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) worked closely with Lev Parnas, the Rudy Giuliani associate currently under federal indictment for campaign finance violations, to help arrange meetings in Europe as part of Nunes’ efforts to discredit the investigation of Russian contacts within President Donald Trump’s campaign.

Congressional records showed Nunes took a trip to Europe from November 30th to December 3rd of 2018, during which he was accompanied by three staffers at a taxpayer expense of over $63,000. The travel came as Nunes, in his role on the House Intelligence Committee, was working to investigate and muddle the origins of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian election meddling.

“When Rep. Devin Nunes isn’t donning his tinfoil hat and spouting conspiracy theories in defense of President Trump, he’s using taxpayer resources to pal around Europe with now indicted criminals who worked to illegally influence American elections,”
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smartcooky said:
Wow! Just wow! If this is confirmed, then that puts a crapload of Nunes comments and behaviour sharply into context.

One thing though, are we sure that the person Viktor Shokin met with was Nunes, and not his cow?
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I suppose all we needed was a reminder of his shenanigans when the Republicans and Nunes headed this committee.
 
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acbytesla said:
Ohhhhh, You're thinking that the Republicans might do the right thing. How precious.
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Not at all, I'm expecting them to be doing the wrong thing, and giving them a case where one or more elements aren't water tight gives them a point of attack to try and sink the entire case. If you have been watching the hearings then you'd see this is exactly their tactic, when they actually bother to go after the evidence and not some CT.

I said "beyond a reasonable doubt". The Republicans are not being reasonable or acting in good faith in any way.
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I'm well aware of this and have posted it in this thread, even pointing out that they are blatantly lying about a lot of things knowing that those lies will be sound bites for FOX and the Sinclair Group viewers who will never see the rebuttals to the lies.

I now expect the GOP majority Senate to use the impeachment trial to promote all kinds of conspiracy theories and just go after the Democrats. I expect the Senate trial to be more focused on Biden and the traitorous civil servants than on the Ukraine and the Trump administration's bribery solicitation.
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That's not how a senate trial works. The Senators have to sit there and listen and not speak. Those that will be speaking will be members of the House chosen to present the Prosecution's case, Lawyers who will be defending Trump, and the Witnesses.

Now yes I expect the GOP to try and muddy things in TV interviews and likely they will go off bat during the deliberation debates, but for the trial itself, the Defense Legal Team has to be careful in what they say and do because it is far closer in procedure yo an actual trial than the current hearings are.

Having said that, I don't expect any of the Republicans, save perhaps Kerry, to buck the party line even if Trump admitted it all on the stand.
 
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I do look forward to the unauthorized biography on Nunes with the title "The Man That Sued Cows".
 
PhantomWolf said:
That's not how a senate trial works. The Senators have to sit there and listen and not speak. Those that will be speaking will be members of the House chosen to present the Prosecution's case, Lawyers who will be defending Trump, and the Witnesses.
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Are you sure? My understanding is that Senate rules dictate the procedures for an impeachment trial and those rules can be modified by the majority. I'm happy to be mistaken.
 
acbytesla said:
Are you sure? My understanding is that Senate rules dictate the procedures for an impeachment trial and those rules can be modified by the majority. I'm happy to be mistaken.
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Part II, XVII, and XIX are relevant.

Moscow Mitch has been going on about it too suggesting that those Democrat Senators who are running for the Democratic Nomination would not be wanting to be sitting in silence day after day after day stuck in the Senate when they really want to be out campaigning.+
 
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