MAGA brats mock Native American with "build the wall" chants

[Trebuchet]

Yes, what you just said is deeply fallacious.

I don’t think Trump is a white supremacist. My reasoning does not fall anywhere near along the lines you’ve laughably outlined above. Trump is a 73 year old product of the culture and the time period he was raised in. You can say he’s racist and I won’t argue with you. But to say he’s a white supremacist is to say that he’s espoused a certain world-view that there’s no evidence that he actually has.



I’m sure this is true but not universally. I see no need to tar all white people with the same brush.

Trump's "world-view" is me, me, me, me. That's as far as it goes, although it doesn't stop him from hating brown people.
Meanwhile, I'm a 71 year old product of the culture and don't agree with him on anything.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Could you provide evidence for your claim "Besides, I was always told by liberals here that patriotism is bad. "?

I have time for two examples.

One...




Two...not so bad...




If you require more let me know, these are both from the same thread. I'm really not inclined to look any harder because this will fall on deaf ears anyways and it really isn't that important to me.

But there ya go - evidence..

As "evidence" goes, you'd be laughed out of court. Both quotes are describing a type, or brand if you will, of "patriotism". Neither is blatantly claiming that patriotism is bad. The latter "evidence" actually specifically mentions "excessive patriotism".

If you think a little social drinking is okay, it's not a contradiction to rail against excessive drinking which can be harmful and even destructive. Excessive patriotism and various forms of flag-waving, including the infamous "My Country, Right or Wrong" are what is being condemned or warned about.

Far better you'd have admitted that you were hyperbolizing or straw-manning, 'cuz this doesn't really stack up as evidence. It's what you wish that we were saying. It's the kind of straw man lie that Trump and his minions put out every day. "The Dems want open borders".. "They're coming for mah gunz"... I guess we can add "Liberals hate patriotism". Well done.

 

[Darat]

I have time for two examples.



One...









Two...not so bad...









If you require more let me know, these are both from the same thread. I'm really not inclined to look any harder because this will fall on deaf ears anyways and it really isn't that important to me.



But there ya go - evidence..

But not evidence of what you claimed....

 

[Stacyhs]

As "evidence" goes, you'd be laughed out of court. Both quotes are describing a type, or brand if you will, of "patriotism". Neither is blatantly claiming that patriotism is bad. The latter "evidence" actually specifically mentions "excessive patriotism".

If you think a little social drinking is okay, it's not a contradiction to rail against excessive drinking which can be harmful and even destructive. Excessive patriotism and various forms of flag-waving, including the infamous "My Country, Right or Wrong" are what is being condemned or warned about.

Far better you'd have admitted that you were hyperbolizing or straw-manning, 'cuz this doesn't really stack up as evidence. It's what you wish that we were saying. It's the kind of straw man lie that Trump and his minions put out every day. "The Dems want open borders".. "They're coming for mah gunz"... I guess we can add "Liberals hate patriotism". Well done.

For far too many, it's "My Country Is Always Right, Never Wrong". The other 'patriotism' that I abhor is the "Love It or Leave It" type. As if we have to love and support everything it does no matter what or get out.

 

[Hellbound]

For far too many, it's "My Country Is Always Right, Never Wrong". The other 'patriotism' that I abhor is the "Love It or Leave It" type. As if we have to love and support everything it does no matter what or get out.

Especially considering the country was set up with specific and explicit methods to change it if you don't Love It, and can get enough people behind you.

 

[BStrong]

Trump's "world-view" is me, me, me, me. That's as far as it goes, although it doesn't stop him from hating brown people.
Meanwhile, I'm a 71 year old product of the culture and don't agree with him on anything.

All he needs is wings and he could play a seagull in "Finding Nemo"

 

[mgidm86]

But not evidence of what you claimed....

I did exactly as you asked...

Could you provide evidence for your claim "Besides, I was always told by liberals here that patriotism is bad. "?

I answered your question. I didn't expect you and foolmewunz to suddenly agree with me and it really isn't that important to me that you do. If I dig up more will you suddenly agree? No, you won't.

 

[Roboramma]

I did exactly as you asked...




I answered your question. I didn't expect you and foolmewunz to suddenly agree with me and it really isn't that important to me that you do. If I dig up more will you suddenly agree? No, you won't.

The quotes you supplied weren't actually evidence of the claim you made.

 

[Ziggurat]

So the same judge is presiding over a case where Sandmann is suing NBC. Apparently NBC just asked to have the case thrown out, so I'm assuming it's going to end the same way.

NBC did get a dismissal just like WP and CNN, as expected. But that wasn't the end. The judge subsequently reinstated the case on a limited basis (meaning some of the complaints remain dismissed but some of them can proceed). That reinstatement happened for WP and CNN previously, and has now happened for NBC as well. So the case is back on.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/21/nick-sandmann-covington-catholic-teen-nbcuniversal/

Note that the judge has reversed his own decision, he hasn't been overruled on appeal.

 

[Joe Random]

There has to be more detail to the law in question than the tiny snipped quoted here :

Under Kentucky law, a communication is considered defamatory if it brings a person into “public hatred, contempt or ridicule,” or causes the person to be “shunned or avoided,” according to the ruling.

That sounds seriously over-reaching if there aren't some sort of limitations in place. Not saying for this case specifically (FTR I'm coming down on the side of MagaHatBoy, just probably not to the dollar amount they're after). Generally speaking it sounds like Twitter would be a rich field for litigation in that state.

 

[Ziggurat]

There has to be more detail to the law in question than the tiny snipped quoted here :




That sounds seriously over-reaching if there aren't some sort of limitations in place. Not saying for this case specifically (FTR I'm coming down on the side of MagaHatBoy, just probably not to the dollar amount they're after). Generally speaking it sounds like Twitter would be a rich field for litigation in that state.

Yes, there’s more to it. Most importantly, the communication must be false in order to qualify as defamation.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

a discussion from last January

Link to an older discussion of libel law and the Covington case by a professor of law, Eugene Volokh.

"If the poster refuses to take down the post even then, can the plaintiff argue that keeping the post up is negligent, or does it matter only whether the defendant was negligent when he initially posted?

Surprisingly, that is not a well-settled question; the cases are split, and there are good arguments on both sides."

Link to a recent post critical of one of the suits. "Basically, it made them look like jerks. And maybe that portrayal was unfair based on incomplete footage. But these lawsuits are a different story; they look like the reactions of children trying to punish those who have called out their bad behavior."

As my comments in this thread make clear, I think that the author (also a professor of law) is wrong about the confrontation. She also failed to discuss the poor quality of the early journalism covering the incident. One presumes her legal views are better founded.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

crying Wolfe

At The Atlantic Caitlin Flanagan wrote, "The full video reveals that these kids had wandered into a Tom Wolfe novel and had no idea how to get out of it." I don't recall reading her article previously, but I thought that this was a very satisfactory one-sentence summary of the incident.

Near the end of her opinion piece she wrote, "How could the elite media—The New York Times, let’s say—have protected themselves from this event, which has served to reinforce millions of Americans’ belief that traditional journalistic outlets are purveyors of “fake news”? They might have hewed to a concept that once went by the quaint term “journalistic ethics.” Among other things, journalistic ethics held that if you didn’t have the reporting to support a story, and if that story had the potential to hurt its subjects, and if those subjects were private citizens, and if they were moreover minors, you didn’t run the story. You kept reporting it; you let yourself get scooped; and you accepted that speed is not the highest value. Otherwise, you were the trash press."
EDT
I see that portlandatheist already cited this article in a previous comment.

 

[plague311]

Looks like he's starting to get paid:

CNN agreed Tuesday to settle a lawsuit brought by Covington Catholic High School student Nicholas Sandmann.

Sandmann sought $275 million from CNN over their coverage of the confrontation he and his classmates had with an elderly Native American man while visiting Washington, D.C. on a school trip in January of last year. The amount of the settlement was not made public during a hearing at the federal courthouse in Covington on Tuesday, according to a local Fox affiliate.

According to the article he still has a few more outstanding lawsuits. Should walk away with a healthy sum it would appear.

 

[Ziggurat]

Looks like he's starting to get paid:



According to the article he still has a few more outstanding lawsuits. Should walk away with a healthy sum it would appear.

It looks like CNN didn’t want to go through with discovery. Others may follow their lead.

 

[applecorped]

lol

 

[portlandatheist]

Looks like he's starting to get paid:



According to the article he still has a few more outstanding lawsuits. Should walk away with a healthy sum it would appear.

good for him. I hope he goes to college and meets lots of great people from different walks of life and politics than his own.

 

[Giz]

good for him. I hope he goes to college and meets lots of great people from different walks of life and politics than his own.

Seems like it’s CNN et al who need to learn to respect people from different walks of life, not the kid.

 

[Stacyhs]

good for him. I hope he goes to college and meets lots of great people from different walks of life and politics than his own.

According to at least one member here, he'll not only meet people from different walks of life, but he'll get "indoctrinated" in those filthy liberal ideas.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
good for him. I hope he goes to college and meets lots of great people from different walks of life and politics than his own.

Seems like it’s CNN et al who need to learn to respect people from different walks of life, not the kid.

We must be reading different posts. I can't see where portlandatheist said a single word about the young man needing to "learn to respect people".