Equal Rights Amendment?

[Dr. Keith]

I strongly suspect that the men and women are not paid to play soccer for the US team based on their ability to generate revenue at the box office. They are paid to play soccer because if we don't pay them, they will play somewhere else. And for top soccer-playing men, there are lots of somewhere elses, and for top soccer playing women, not so many.

Maybe that is why the men really support what the women are doing.

PS: If a man can qualify for a quality team other than the US team he will likely play for that team. Unless they are so bereft of resources that they have no better chance than the US.

 

[Belz...]

But, if you bring in more money than the male team then it does mean that you bring in more money than the male team.

Yyyyes, but so? First of all, bringing in more money isn't a guarantee of being paid more. Second, their salary might be calculated on an international average rather than a national one, etc.

That's not to say that there's no sexism involved. But the logic here doesn't hold.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Sorry, I'm aware of that one year. However being 'the best' doesn't mean you bring in more money than the male team.

Nice goal posts, securely mounted int he ground.

But, if you bring in more money than the male team then it does mean that you bring in more money than the male team.

Pretty solid kick, right through the uprights.

Yyyyes, but so?

I'm simply correcting your incorrect assumption that they only brought in more money that one year. The women are the best AND they bring in more money.

I won't go chasing the new goal posts.

 

[Belz...]

Nice goal posts, securely mounted int he ground.

Nice dodge.

I'm simply correcting your incorrect assumption that they only brought in more money that one year. The women are the best AND they bring in more money.

How in the blue hell do you define "the best", here?

I won't go chasing the new goal posts.

The posts never moved. You just seem to dislike the reality that I brought up.

If you ever decide to actually address the points, I'll stil be here.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Nice dodge.

Not a dodge. I was pointing out that in that first post you made a claim that I responded to in the next post.

How in the blue hell do you define "the best", here?

Quickly runs to wikipedia . . .

The team is the most successful in international women's soccer, winning four Women's World Cup titles (including the first Women's World Cup in 1991), four Olympic gold medals (including the first Olympic women's soccer tournament in 1996), and eight CONCACAF Gold Cups. It medaled in every World Cup and Olympic tournament in women's soccer history from 1991 to 2015, before being knocked out in the quarterfinal of the 2016 Summer Olympics.

The posts never moved. You just seem to dislike the reality that I brought up.

If you ever decide to actually address the points, I'll stil be here.

You made a claim:

However being 'the best' doesn't mean you bring in more money than the male team.

I was simply pointing out that they are both the best and they bring in more money than the male team. So in this case, in the actual case we are discussing, being the best does in fact mean bringing in more money than the male team.

If you would like to argue about some other aspect of this story, please start with someone else's post as a laughing pad. Or even another one of my posts.

 

[Belz...]

Not a dodge.

Of course it's a dodge. You used it to sidestep my point.

Quickly runs to wikipedia . . .

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks.

You made a claim:

Well, it's true. I'm not privvy to how that translates into revenue for the team's owners and neither are you. I also pointed out that even bringing in more money doesn't necessarily translate into getting paid more. And as I said before, in some leagues salaries are set by the set of all teams, not just yours.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Of course it's a dodge. You used it to sidestep my point.

No, I was establishing your point.

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks.

Really not sure why you even questioned it. One of their best performances was in your country.

Well, it's true. I'm not privvy to how that translates into revenue for the team's owners and neither are you. I also pointed out that even bringing in more money doesn't necessarily translate into getting paid more. And as I said before, in some leagues salaries are set by the set of all teams, not just yours.

No, it is not true. Your claim is false. Because they bring in more money than the men. They do in fact bring in more money than the men. USWMNT brings in more money than USMNT. Repeat as necessary.

After you get your mind around that repetitions, ask yourself a couple of questions:

Who brings in more money USWNT or USMNT?

Why am I trying to argue a counterfactual when it would be easier to just admit that I was unaware that the USWMNT is far more successful in financial terms than the USMNT?​

 

[Belz...]

No, I was establishing your point.

Say what? All you said was that I was moving the goalposts, which wasn't the case, and in doing so you didn't address what I said. Did you lose track?

Really not sure why you even questioned it. One of their best performances was in your country.

My country? What makes you think I follow this sport at all?

No, it is not true. Your claim is false. Because they bring in more money than the men. They do in fact bring in more money than the men. USWMNT brings in more money than USMNT. Repeat as necessary.

You didn't read what I wrote: "bring in more money" may or may not translate in actually more profit, depending on what you mean by it. And I suspect you don't know more than I do on this point. Do you think you could address this specific point, please?

 

[Dr. Keith]

Sorry, I'm aware of that one year. However being 'the best' doesn't mean you bring in more money than the male team.

The claim that I have highlighted is false in the context of the US national soccer teams.

The evidence that it is false is that the USWNT brings in more money than the USMNT.

Not in one year, but over the recent past. This is trend that heavily favors the vastly more popular USWNT. They are champions and they have broad support across the country.

That is all.

If you meant something other than that when you said "bring in more money" then I am sorry to have wasted your time by interpreting your claim as plain English. I will endeavor to not make that mistake in the future.

 

[Belz...]

The claim that I have highlighted is false in the context of the US national soccer teams.

What do you mean, it's "false"? Being the best automatically means you bring in more money? What?

The evidence that it is false is that the USWNT brings in more money than the USMNT.

Oh, ok. You didn't mean it's false. You meant that in this case they are the best AND bring in more money.

Not in one year, but over the recent past. This is trend that heavily favors the vastly more popular USWNT. They are champions and they have broad support across the country.

Are the wages determined on a team level or for the whole league?