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Acceptance of Gender Diversity

cullennz said:
Would have to see if the question they were answering properly highlighted that gender was a separate thing to biological sex before passing judgment on the 38%

Because it these things usually don't and it all gets scewed
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The two questions were simply, do you agree or disagree with the following statements:
1) There are more than two genders
2) People should be referred to by the gender pronoun they identify

And possible answers were
Strongly disagree
Somewhat disagree
Neutral
Somewhat agree
Strongly agree
Don't know

IOW, No explanation was provided of what they meant by the word "gender".

d4m10n said:
Which one are we talking about here?

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Gender, I assume. However, how people responding to the survey interpreted the question, is unclear. IOW, do they distinguish between sex and gender in their own minds, or not?
 
Puppycow said:
The two questions were simply, do you agree or disagree with the following statements:
1) There are more than two genders
2) People should be referred to by the gender pronoun they identify

And possible answers were
Strongly disagree
Somewhat disagree
Neutral
Somewhat agree
Strongly agree
Don't know

IOW, No explanation was provided of what they meant by the word "gender".
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Don't spoon-feed him. Make him go read the article.
 
arthwollipot said:
There are many, many gender identities.
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The affirmation in question was "There are more than two genders" but it did not specify gender identity. You can identify however you like (two-spirit, genderqueer, agender, etc.) but the just plain genderWP remains a "range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity." Are Aussies wrong to see it this way, and if so, why?
 
It's a badly worded question. There are no genders and two sexes woul be the only sensible answer.
 
I find that I don't actually have to understand something about people before I decide to treat them nicely. I don't know that I could define gender; I don't know that I actually care about gender at all. I'm just going to be polite to people. If they want to be called "she" or "they" or "he" it's not a dreadful burden on me to go along with it. Am I supposed to be interested in the whys and wherefores and the chromosomes and the nature vs nuture and the philosophical implications of categories of things? I guess I can add all that to the increasingly vast list of things I just can't be bothered with. I'd rather be kind than correct about everything.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I find that I don't actually have to understand something about people before I decide to treat them nicely. I don't know that I could define gender; I don't know that I actually care about gender at all. I'm just going to be polite to people. If they want to be called "she" or "they" or "he" it's not a dreadful burden on me to go along with it. Am I supposed to be interested in the whys and wherefores and the chromosomes and the nature vs nuture and the philosophical implications of categories of things? I guess I can add all that to the increasingly vast list of things I just can't be bothered with. I'd rather be kind than correct about everything.
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d4m10n said:
Isn't gender (as opposed to sex) a relatively novel social construct?

ETA: John MoneyWP, circa 1955
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However, it's not necessarily a sign what it refers to is recently invented. For example, the contemporary notions of homosexuality and the gay identity are novel, but it still refers to something real that existed prior.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
However, it's not necessarily a sign what it refers to is recently invented. For example, the contemporary notions of homosexuality and the gay identity are novel, but it still refers to something real that existed prior.
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There's plenty of evidence that homosexuality has existed for millennia, transgenderism not so much.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
However, it's not necessarily a sign what it refers to is recently invented. For example, the contemporary notions of homosexuality and the gay identity are novel, but it still refers to something real that existed prior.
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Fair point, I'm confident that masculine and feminine social roles predated 1955. My question would be when Australia (or other Anglophone nations) started to recognize a third social role: neither masculine nor feminine, nor a mere lack thereof, but something truly distinct. Judging by the survey in the OP, the answer may well be "Not yet."
 
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Puppycow said:
The two questions were simply, do you agree or disagree with the following statements:
1) There are more than two genders
2)People should be referred to by the gender pronoun they identify
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Much slippage to get to the point I wish to comment on.

I am in agreement in principle with the hilited statement. I have never had an opportunity to put in into practice. I have never had a person tell me the gender they identify with. I know that there are posters here who have much different life experiences than me. I would like to know if there are people who encounter this type of open self-identification enough for this to be a principle that needs to be stated.

Also, I read this as being pronouns that one would use when discussing the gender-identifying person with a third party, and not when one is in direct conversation with that person. The only pronoun that would arise in direct conversation is the gender-neutral word you.
 
d4m10n said:
I'll take that as a no.

Intersex isn't a gender, obviously.

Many of the so-called genders you've linked are described in terms of male and female, which are also not genders.
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Then why does the website of the Australian Sex Survey identify them as such?

Here's some more background reading for you:

http://thepbhscloset.weebly.com/a-list-of-genders--sexualities-and-their-definitions.html

https://teentalk.ca/learn-about/gender-identity/

https://www.yourtango.com/201932462...list-of-definitions-lgbtqia-identity-spectrum

https://apath.org/63-genders/

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/heres-a-list-of-58-gender-options-for-facebook-users

https://www.wattpad.com/341462536-complete-list-of-genders-the-complete-list-of-all

It's only hard if you want to make it hard. No-one can agree on how many gender identities there are, because if someone looks at a list and says "hmm, no, I don't really feel like any of those describe me" then they can literally invent a new gender. There's no "master list". Gender is a spectrum.

It's only hard if you want to make it hard. Use peoples' pronouns correctly and make sure everybody knows what your pronouns are, and you'll get by.
 
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arthwollipot said:
You obviously need to actually read the linked article, because the questions are clearly stated.

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Unless I missed it, it doesn't.

It has a bit about sex and gender being different, but doesn't say whether this was in the material the survey takers read
 
cullennz said:
Unless I missed it, it doesn't.

It has a bit about sex and gender being different, but doesn't say whether this was in the material the survey takers read
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You missed it.

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