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House Impeachment Inquiry

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kellyb said:
I'm just saying, the onus is on the one making a claim to prove it, still.
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And we have enough evidence to date to make that case. I'd like to hear from a few others involved in the decision, but so far the story has been very consistent. Are you aware of any contradictory evidence?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I would be shocked and disappointed if the Democrats don’t write up multiple Articles of Impeachment.

Of the 10 or so instances in Part II of the Mueller Report, I’d expect to see at least several charged. Remember, each of those gave evidence for meeting all three criteria for Obstruction of Justice. Firing Comey and then going on TV and saying it was about ”The Russia Thing”, and then telling the Russian Ambassador that now “the pressure was off” is in my mind the one where intent is easiest to prove.

Trump lying to Mueller in his written responses is another, as is asking China to investigate the Bidens. And don’t forget ordering subordinates to ignore lawful subpoenas and/or to prepare false statements.

If I had to wager, they’re just getting started and I expect to see at least a dozen Articles of Impeachment. Even if the Senate fails to convict, it is the House’s responsibility to air these out, if only for history’s sake.
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Pelosi has been saying the investigation would be narrow. I hope she doesn't stick to that unless 'narrow' includes all Trump's recent corruption.
 
Dr. Keith said:
And we have enough evidence to date to make that case. I'd like to hear from a few others involved in the decision, but so far the story has been very consistent. Are you aware of any contradictory evidence?
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No. And the enormous amount of evidence on this bribery charge alone, is mounting. I think Trumpers trying to diminish the charge are going to be sorely surprised.
 
kellyb said:
Aren't ad hominims against the user agreement here?
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Seems to me that calling a post dishonest is not an ad hominem.

Neither is calling an argument stupid or a stated position incoherent.

These are not dismissing an argument on the basis of character flaws or circumstances of the proponent. They are directed at the argument. (Each should, of course, come with reasons for the stated conclusion or they are unsupported claims.)
 
lobosrul5 said:
That poll doesn't seem to have a breakdown based on party membership. Another older one I saw, did have such a breakdown. A fair number of Democrats were against impeachment but nearly all thought Trump did something wrong. I assume because they deem it unnecessary or a distraction. Thats probably where a lot of the difference between the two numbers comes from.
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But if 70% think he did something wrong and 40% approve of Trump, it is clear that at least 10% of the electorate both approve of Trump and think he did something wrong.
 
phiwum said:
But if 70% think he did something wrong and 40% approve of Trump, it is clear that at least 10% of the electorate both approve of Trump and think he did something wrong.
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Trump was forced to do something wrong to achieve a good purpose by the Democrats' refusal to impeach Joe Biden. :cool:
 
Trump claims to be strongly considering providing more articles of impeachment against himself (in the form of written testimony in which he will almost certainly lie).

Of course he won't sit down like an honorable person and take questions. Then there would be no 'almost' to the lying.
 
Pelosi was adamant about doing nothing about his dozen other known impeachable offenses before, so there's no reason to think she'd add them now.

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For those who are into the strategizing & scheming angle of politics, it is actually possible to look at leaving out his previous known impeachable offenses now to be an effective tactical move against him. Many Republicans who've been on his side so far don't want to be, and just haven't found a plausible way out yet. Their simplest route to joining the Democrats on impeachment & removal would be to pretend that nothing else he's done so far was a big deal so there was nothing wrong with sticking by him so far, but now this is a sudden change he sprung on everybody that forced them to act because it was just so different from how he'd been before. And that story is easier to tell & sell if the Democrats are playing along with it.
 
tyr_13 said:
Trump claims to be strongly considering providing more articles of impeachment against himself (in the form of written testimony in which he will almost certainly lie).

Of course he won't sit down like an honorable person and take questions. Then there would be no 'almost' to the lying.
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1. He's just playing his tease game.

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2. He hasn't been invited to testify via writing.
 
tyr_13 said:
Trump claims to be strongly considering providing more articles of impeachment against himself (in the form of written testimony in which he will almost certainly lie).

Of course he won't sit down like an honorable person and take questions. Then there would be no 'almost' to the lying.
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A normal person would be seriously considering, but with Trump it has to be "strongly". And he'll wimp out, just you watch.
 
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