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Male & Female Brains Are The Same

Thor 2 said:
These figures fly in the face of my personal observations over many years so my skepticism is strong. I show a YouTube sample for your edification. Tell me what you observe about the number of women and men in the audience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcrxeQiOdVg
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Roger Ramjets said:
Personal observations trump demographically-representative samples from a panel of 5 million people worldwide!
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Thor 2 said:
That's strange. The chart you showed clearly said US people.
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The "worldwide" slip doesn't change the numbers. But the numbers don't really disagree with the original claim anyway. They show a clear skew with women going for that particular type of nonsense more than men do, just like the video of clips from the John Edward show does. You two don't have a disagreement, unless one of you wants to change your claim to something more extreme than either of you started with (all women buy into this, no men do, exactly the same numbers of each do...).
 
Delvo said:
The "worldwide" slip doesn't change the numbers. But the numbers don't really disagree with the original claim anyway. They show a clear skew with women going for that particular type of nonsense more than men do, just like the video of clips from the John Edward show does. You two don't have a disagreement, unless one of you wants to change your claim to something more extreme than either of you started with (all women buy into this, no men do, exactly the same numbers of each do...).
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No I don't want to change my claim to something more extreme, and my original claim was just as you put it. Roger Ramjets decided to take issue with me on the subject for reasons best known to himself.

Apart from personal observations I have found other statistics, supporting the notion that women go for this particular stuff more than men. I invite others to consult their own experiences and do research if they wish. I grow tired of it.
 
dann said:
You don't need neuroscience to wonder why you had to leave out the rest of that sentence.
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Hahaha, and why is that? You already know what I have said, are you contradicting it or not? Stop trying to pussyfoot.

dann said:
Now we've gone from an idea (yours) that's clearly impossible and therefore a favored theme of fiction (usually comedies, for example Switch, The Hot Chick, It’s a Boy-Girl Thing, Dating the Enemy, Goodbye Charlie) to Einstein's Gedankenexperiment, which is very pretentious of you. Einstein made actual thought experiments to grasp reality. You don't.
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Cute... He actually did engage in fictional thought experiments, such as what light would look like if you traveled the speed of light (a standing wave).

dann said:
And unlike Einstein's thought experiment, in this case all you need to do is ask transgender people what it's like to be them, and they tell you that they identify with the sex they weren't born as, and that it feels awful.
So what do you learn from that?!
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As I said, I didn't realize you would get so fussy about it. Now it's just become whining. Yes, I know you can just ask them, and I have, and I have gotten an answer. And the answer did not contradict a single statement I have made.

So who the hell are you talking to? What have I stated that you seek to contradict?
 
Just happened upon the following news article:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10...rates-of-concussion-than-males-study/11538294

Now, some of the earliest data available is adding further weight to a theory that, until now, has only been cautiously discussed: that concussion affects women differently to men.
"There is data emerging to suggest that in gender-similar sports, females show twice the incidence of concussion as males," said Jen McCloy, the co-founder of SidelinesDr, which manages Australia's first centralised database for concussion statistics.
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Sort of conflicts with the hypothesis of men and women having identical brains I think.
 
Thor 2 said:
Just happened upon the following news article:



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10...rates-of-concussion-than-males-study/11538294









Sort of conflicts with the hypothesis of men and women having identical brains I think.
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Not really, that could -to pull an idea from thin air - be something to do with amount or type of muscles supporting the head.

ETA: in regards to injury is there a difference in how men and women react and cope with the damage to the brain caused by a stroke. Would have thought that could be an avenue to explore.
 
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Delvo said:
The "worldwide" slip doesn't change the numbers.
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It's not a 'slip', but a direct quote from the pollster's website citing their bona fides.

But the numbers don't really disagree with the original claim anyway. They show a clear skew with women going for that particular type of nonsense more than men do
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A 'clear skew' of 69% of females not going for it vs 73% of males? Let's put those figures in perspective - in a random group of men and women, 7 out of 10 of both sexes don't go for it. If there is a real skew (beyond sampling error) it's weak. If you tried to sort males and females using this metric you would fail miserably.

You two don't have a disagreement, unless one of you wants to change your claim to something more extreme than either of you started with (all women buy into this, no men do, exactly the same numbers of each do...).
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There is no agreement.

Of course I don't want to say that exactly the same numbers of each do, that would be silly.

OTOH, Thor stated that "one lack of sameness between the brains of males & females is the type of woo they go for", which pretty much is saying 'only women buy into this, no men do'. Then he objected to actual statistics showing the opposite (that men and women go for the same type of woo with almost equal frequency). As for the suggestion that his personal observations should have precedence over properly collected data, that is silly.

But hey sexists, keep throwing stuff at the wall. Eventually you will find something that sticks. Then you can blithely continue reinforcing your stereotypes while ignoring what the facts say.
 
I was about to go back & find the numbers you'd posted before to show how diffrrent they were from what you're now claiming... But then you pulled that "but hey sexists..." stunt, so now I know there's no point in trying to reason with you. The "but hey sexists..." type simply don't have any interest in what the facts actually say about reality, not even the ones they brought up themselves.
 
Either:

Male and female brains are different at some level

or

All gender differences are culturally driven.


The foremer would seem more likely to me.
 
3point14 said:
Either:

Male and female brains are different at some level

or

All gender differences are culturally driven.


The foremer would seem more likely to me.
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There's a third option, male and female brains are different at some level but those differences aren't causative of cultural gender differences. For example, female brains are smaller and more "packed" (due to smaller skull size) but this doesn't mean that this is causative for the notion that women are more suited for things like nursing while men are more suited for hard sciences.
 
Puppycow said:
Oh my. 2 hours?

So are they different?
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Two different perspectives are offered. To simplify matters Steven Pinker makes the case that they are and Elizabeth Spelke makes the case that they aren't. Personally I'm not interested in arguing about this subject but I think this video really is very informative (two Harvard professors each making their own case for opposing viewpoints) and for those who are more interested in the actual issue than arguing about it the video is very much worth the watch.
 
"It's not just that boys and girls are using the maths network in the same ways but that similarities were evident across the entire brain," says psychologist Alyssa Kersey, from the University of Chicago.

"This is an important reminder that humans are more similar to each other than we are different."
Brain Scans Confirm There's No Difference Between Boy And Girl Brains Doing Math (ScienceAlert, Nov. 15, 2019)
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Gender similarities in the brain during mathematics development (Nature: Science of Learning, Nov. 8, 2019)
 
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