Students Turn Against Free Press

smartcooky said:
Not always.

In this case, Northwestern University is a private institution not a public one.

It would be interesting to see, if you went onto a private university campus with a camera and started photographing students, how long it would be before someone from campus security questioned why you were there, and who gave you permission to be there.
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See my post immediately previous, which I was way too late with.
 
cullennz said:
It would depend who you are.

A nobody pretty quick.

The press ring up first and are usually alright as long as they get permission.

Unis actually like to promote themselves.

They are mini businesses in their own right and splash their academics knowledge and image all oer the place.
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Ziggurat said:
Why is that relevant? A photographer for a student newspaper taking pictures of an open campus even doesn't need permission to be there.
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Obviously you missed the edit - my bad

Northwestern University is a private institution not a public one.
 
Ziggurat said:
Why is that relevant? A photographer for a student newspaper taking pictures of an open campus even doesn't need permission to be there.
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This too.

A photographer for a student paper at one of, if not the, most respected journalism schools, no less.
 
smartcooky said:
Why is that relevant?
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What’s relevant was that the event was open to the public. Other press was there. People who were not students were protesting. You can not argue that privacy rights apply to public events.
 
The trying to justify the snowflakeyness of the protesters in this thread is extremely humorous
 
You CAN argue privacy rights when the journalists in question use the photographs they have taken and a database to hunt down the names of the people at the protest, no matter what their reasons (noble or otherwise) might be for doing so.

If I had attended a protest, and a photographer/journalist came knocking on my door, having tracked down who I am and where I lived, he would be told to ****-off in no uncertain terms.
 
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smartcooky said:
You CAN argue privacy rights when the journalists in question use the photographs they have taken and a database to hunt down the names of the people at the protest, no matter what their reasons (noble or otherwise) might be for doing so.

If I had attended a protest, and a photographer/journalist came knocking on my door, having tracked down who I am and where I lived, he would be told to ****-off in no uncertain terms.
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Mate. She is worse than them going to their doors. They didn't.

They ....................... did a TEXT!!!!
 
smartcooky said:
You CAN argue privacy rights when the journalists in question use the photographs they have taken and a database to hunt down the names of the people at the protest, no matter what their reasons (noble or otherwise) might be for doing so.

If I had attended a protest, and a photographer/journalist came knocking on my door, having tracked down who I am and where I lived, he would be told to **** off in no uncertain terms.
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That’s your right. Journalists have a right to hunt down sources for stories they are covering.

In this case, the student journalists accessed the student directory, which, as students, they have access to. They did so to find students who were at a public event.

Taking pictures and tracking down sources is just basic journalism.
 
cullennz said:
Mate. She is worse than them going to their doors. They didn't.

They ....................... did a TEXT!!!!
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I'm actually a bit sympathetic on this one. I don't want strangers sending me unsolicited texts. I don't find it threatening, but I do find it annoying, and that's reason enough to refrain from doing it.

But the whole photography stuff, which is completely unconnected to the texting, is just ******* ridiculous. If you can't handle your picture being taken at a public protest, then don't protest. If you're traumatized because Pence showed up on campus, you're not an adult. Privacy expectations for children are higher than for adults, and these protesters are basically begging to be treated like children. And if that's really what they want, I'm OK with obliging them. But that means the whole 9 yards: no alcohol, no vote, no sex, and they have to obey an actual adult guardian.
 
These students handled this wrong by complaining to the journalists. They should have attacked the journalists verbally and physically, that's what MAGA has taught us.
 
smartcooky said:
True to form, the OP title was click-bait.

This has nothing at all to do with "Students Turn Against Free Press" and has everything to so with "Students Stand Up for their Privacy Rights"
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Privacy rights at a public protest? I'd say it's most definitely an attack on free press.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm actually a bit sympathetic on this one. I don't want strangers sending me unsolicited texts. I don't find it threatening, but I do find it annoying, and that's reason enough to refrain from doing it.

But the whole photography stuff, which is completely unconnected to the texting, is just ******* ridiculous. If you can't handle your picture being taken at a public protest, then don't protest. If you're traumatized because Pence showed up on campus, you're not an adult. Privacy expectations for children are higher than for adults, and these protesters are basically begging to be treated like children. And if that's really what they want, I'm OK with obliging them. But that means the whole 9 yards: no alcohol, no vote, no sex, and they have to obey an actual adult guardian.
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True

I am still trying to work out to stop Facebook sending them to me
 
smartcooky said:
You CAN argue privacy rights when the journalists in question use the photographs they have taken and a database to hunt down the names of the people at the protest, no matter what their reasons (noble or otherwise) might be for doing so.
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The "database" in question is the student directory. And according to their statement, they looked up people's phone numbers before the event, meaning it wasn't based on photographs taken at the event. They don't really detail exactly what they did, but their reference to social media suggests that they found students talking about the protest beforehand on social media (facebook etc), looked up their phone numbers in the directory, and then texted them. And while I'm opposed to getting unsolicited texts because it's bothersome, if you're posting publicly on social media about a protest, you've already made your participation public.
 
That is one thing I do find a bit odd.

Never known a uni to allow access to official student contact records.

You would get in the poo big time giving out student info here in NZ, even to other student organisations/(The student paper).

You might text them on the organisations behalf, if warranted.

Unless it was done through a school social media group or something
 
cullennz said:
That is one thing I do find a bit odd.

Never known a uni to allow access to official student contact records.
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A student directory is typically separate from official student contact records. I don't know the rules at Northeastern U., but I've worked on my local elementary school student directory. For that, parents must consent to have contact information included in the directory. But most parents do, because it's useful. If your son Billy wants to have a play date with Timmy, you look up Timmy's contact information in the student directory and you can contact his parents to set it up. College student directories serve essentially the same purpose by facilitating peer contact. And I assume that they probably work on the same principle that students determine what contact information gets included in the student directory.
 
Ziggurat said:
A student directory is typically separate from official student contact records. I don't know the rules at Northeastern U., but I've worked on my local elementary school student directory. For that, parents must consent to have contact information included in the directory. But most parents do, because it's useful. If your son Billy wants to have a play date with Timmy, you look up Timmy's contact information in the student directory and you can contact his parents to set it up. College student directories serve essentially the same purpose by facilitating peer contact. And I assume that they probably work on the same principle that students determine what contact information gets included in the student directory.
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Aah cool

Cheers

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