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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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qayak said:
What does that have to do with any ******* thing? People go to rallies, summits, conferences, meetings, etc., and no one expects invited speakers to say anything attendees haven't already heard . . . except you when it comes to Greta Thunberg.

People go to these events specifically to hear people give their take on the topic. Greta did that. There were actually 5 summits that week. Climate, universal healthcare, sustainable development,financing and development, and small island development. Do you think the people attending those summits had never heard what the speakers talked about?

t makes me wonder why you hold a 16 year old girl to higher standards than you hold anyone else? . . . No, actually, I know why. Your hatred is shining through.
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??

I have only hated one person in my entire life and it ain't her.

I was just asking why she has to be there in person given her self given rules on air travel, the joke that was her "carbon neutral" boat trip, and the people she is speaking to agree with her, when she can just video in.
 
cullennz said:
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I have only hated one person in my entire life and it ain't her.

I was just asking why she has to be there in person given her self given rules on air travel, the joke that was her "carbon neutral" boat trip, and the people she is speaking to agree with her, when she can just video in.
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You do realize that she has to travel to Europe at some point, right? She lives there.

You also realize that carbon neutral does not equate to carbon free, right? In fact every human who has ever lived has consumed and released carbon. That is not about to change. Ever.

You also realize that the production and use of video equipment is not carbon neutral, right?

You also realize that, up to this minute, she has not indicated any intention of travelling by air, right? Why are you so eager to criticize her for things she has not done?

Why do you have a problem with her speaking to people that agree with her. I have no doubt that you (at least occasionally) find yourself talking to people that agree with you.

The only “joke” appearing in this thread are your increasingly bizarre an irrelevant criticisms.
 
Steve said:
You do realize that she has to travel to Europe at some point, right? She lives there.

You also realize that carbon neutral does not equate to carbon free, right? In fact every human who has ever lived has consumed and released carbon. That is not about to change. Ever.

You also realize that the production and use of video equipment is not carbon neutral, right?

You also realize that, up to this minute, she has not indicated any intention of travelling by air, right? Why are you so eager to criticize her for things she has not done?

Why do you have a problem with her speaking to people that agree with her. I have no doubt that you (at least occasionally) find yourself talking to people that agree with you.

The only “joke” appearing in this thread are your increasingly bizarre an irrelevant criticisms.
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Yes

Funny enough that is why I said carbon neutral, which it turned out not to be.

A web cam on a laptop is getting close to it

Have no idea why you are going on about air, as she refuses to do it, even at the expense of causing 6 flights

I don't have a problem with her speaking to people who agree with her. It is the fact she can just video in and save carbon emissions
 
cullennz said:
Yes

Funny enough that is why I said carbon neutral, which it turned out not to be.

A web cam on a laptop is getting close to it

Have no idea why you are going on about air, as she refuses to do it, even at the expense of causing 6 flights

I don't have a problem with her speaking to people who agree with her. It is the fact she can just video in and save carbon emissions
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Ok, I think we can go with this and agree that your post that I quoted was content free.
 
All good

We disagree on the importance of her being in person to a summit on climate change when everyone already agrees with her and it got moved at the last minute
 
cullennz said:
Have no idea why you are going on about air, as she refuses to do it, even at the expense of causing 6 flights
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The crew's flights are not on her, She was offered a ride with zero emissions and she took it. What the boat owner does before and after that is not on her. She got to that summit with zero emissions.

By your reasoning if she flew she would be responsible for her flight, the flights of hundreds of crew and passengers on board with her, and the flights of all crew and passengers on the rest of the flights the plane makes for some arbitrary time you get to decide.

Your issues with Greta can only be described as hatred. Even if you dislike someone intensely reason doesn't go out the window. Hatred is what causes people to abandon all reason and attack 16 year old girls.
 
qayak said:
The crew's flights are not on her, She was offered a ride with zero emissions and she took it. What the boat owner does before and after that is not on her. She got to that summit with zero emissions.

By your reasoning if she flew she would be responsible for her flight, the flights of hundreds of crew and passengers on board with her, and the flights of all crew and passengers on the rest of the flights the plane makes for some arbitrary time you get to decide.

Your issues with Greta can only be described as hatred. Even if you dislike someone intensely reason doesn't go out the window. Hatred is what causes people to abandon all reason and attack 16 year old girls.
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No she would have caused 4 flights across the atlantic between her and her dad rather than 6 and while I have put up with it without much mention, I would ask you how pointing this out is showing hatred.

Though I realise the word is easy for you to say without evidence as a a type of writing off other peoples opinions
 
Steve said:
Ok, I think we can go with this and agree that your post that I quoted was content free.
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Indeed.

I posted this earlier. There are very good reasons that people meet in person, be it the UN, governments, political parties, businesses, sporting clubs etc etc etc. So much of communication is non verbal (look it up cullennz) and there are the informal meetings that happen at conferences, AGMs, seminars and I could go on and on. The real work is not done at teleconferences.

So please cullennz, cut out this “she could just get on the Internet” crap.
 
lionking said:
Indeed.

I posted this earlier. There are very good reasons that people meet in person, be it the UN, governments, political parties, businesses, sporting clubs etc etc etc. So much of communication is non verbal (look it up cullennz) and there are the informal meetings that happen at conferences, AGMs, seminars and I could go on and on. The real work is not done at teleconferences.

So please cullennz, cut out this “she could just get on the Internet” crap.
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All good

Beg for a ride and get congratulated for getting to a place where everyone agrees with you.

Maybe try not to destroy the planet so much this time, for no reason doing it.
 
cullennz said:
Actually not a bad point, but she will probably end up anti social and screwed up.
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Like all of us. :D


cullennz said:
Think a few people on here would probably have issues with this statement.
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Thunberg not perfect? See above.


cullennz said:
You mean apart from me apparently being utterly wrong in figuring the logistics of such a massive country would make renewables more difficult?

Not really, apart from saying I am apparently wrong.

Apologies
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:hattip:


cullennz said:
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I have only hated one person in my entire life and it ain't her.

I was just asking why she has to be there in person given her self given rules on air travel, the joke that was her "carbon neutral" boat trip, and the people she is speaking to agree with her, when she can just video in.
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You apparently know a lot more about her journey than I do.

I'm more interested in what she says about protests and climate change/action around the world.

I'm curious why you would spend so much time criticising every detail about her.


cullennz said:
Yes

Funny enough that is why I said carbon neutral, which it turned out not to be.

A web cam on a laptop is getting close to it

Have no idea why you are going on about air, as she refuses to do it, even at the expense of causing 6 flights

I don't have a problem with her speaking to people who agree with her. It is the fact she can just video in and save carbon emissions
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We did that conversation a couple of days ago.


How many drinks are you up to this evening? ;)


cullennz said:
All good

We disagree on the importance of her being in person to a summit on climate change when everyone already agrees with her and it got moved at the last minute
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Next time she should fly her own Tardis. :)



cullennz said:
All good

Beg for a ride and get congratulated for getting to a place where everyone agrees with you.

Maybe try not to destroy the planet so much this time, for no reason doing it.
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The Tardis is carbon-neutral, right? :)


Why do you criticise this person so much?

Do you know any people her age?

I find your behaviour fascinating, so that's why I comment on lots of your posts.

Do you find Thunberg fascinating?
 
Because someone asked

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"Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?"

I missed the bit where is was "Greta Thunberg - Pray to her?
 
cullennz said:
Because someone asked

Thread title

"Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?"

I missed the bit where is was "Greta Thunberg - Pray to her?
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I've said before the thread title is a false dichotomy.

She's brave about speaking up, and she's disturbed, and a lot of things.

You appear to believe that repeating your "worshipping Greta" Strawman Fallacy lets you think you've won the point.

It shows you really aren't reading what is said, but what you want others to be saying, to score points.

This thread isn't a game.

You're the only one left who acts like it is.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I've said before the thread title is a false dichotomy.

She's brave about speaking up, and she's disturbed, and a lot of things.

You appear to believe that repeating your "worshipping Greta" Strawman Fallacy lets you think you've won the point.

It shows you really aren't reading what is said, but what you want others to be saying, to score points.

This thread isn't a game.

You're the only one left who acts like it is.
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That is great but it is the thread title
 
Steve said:
That does sound like an interesting hypothesis. Assuming it is yours (I have not seen anyone else here propose that) perhaps you could elaborate for us.
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That's an easy one. It's in the post I quoted. People going to COP25 may not have already heard everything Greta has to say.

It's a fascinating hypothesis and I'm disappointed that you're disavowing it now.
 
Thunberg isn't going to COP 25 to tell them things they haven't heard before. Thunberg is going there to lead them.

Decades of conferences and active have failed miserably when it comes to managing atmospheric CO2 levels and what they really need is a 16 year old girl to wag her finger at them and get them off their collective asses.
 
Stout said:
Thunberg isn't going to COP 25 to tell them things they haven't heard before. Thunberg is going there to lead them.

Decades of conferences and active have failed miserably when it comes to managing atmospheric CO2 levels and what they really need is a 16 year old girl to wag her finger at them and get them off their collective asses.
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As Steve says:

Steve said:
She is talking to everyone that attends the event [ . . . ] those who may be hearing some of this for the first time.
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