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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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Steve said:
You seem to be rather distracted today. You are having trouble writing posts connected to what I have said. Perhaps you are recovering from a really Good Friday night out?
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Do you mind just giving an example of what Greta says, people at a massive climate change summit including some of the best climate change scientists may not have already heard.

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cullennz said:
Do you mind just giving an example of what Greta says, people at a massive climate change summit including some of the best climate change scientists may not have already heard.

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Assuming you are referring to the upcoming December summit in Madrid, there would be no purpose in speculating what she might say. If you are interested listen to her speech when she gives it. You may learn something.
 
Steve said:
Assuming you are referring to the upcoming December summit in Madrid, there would be no purpose in speculating what she might say. If you are interested listen to her speech when she gives it. You may learn something.
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Figured as much
 
Steve said:
Then asking was a waste of bandwidth.

Perhaps in the interim you could tell us what she will say.
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Guessing "You need to listen to yourselves"

"The time is running out and we will never give up"

"Even though you have been talking about this from before I was born, you have stolen my dreams. How dare you!!!"

Or something like that
 
Actually she may come up with an idea rather than just spout slogans

"Every child on strike will sign a pledge to never fly or own a combustion car!!!"

Might work
 
Stout said:
Reduce your carbon footprint in NOT part of Thunberg's message. Thunberg is all about imploring world leaders to listen to the climate scientists and blaming them, along with adults for the current mess we find ourselves in.
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Why are you so easy on governments? Germany closed coal and gas fired power plants. Why can’t the US? This would make a massive difference to carbon emissions.

Your broken record request is for each individual to reduce their personal footprint. Yeah, good. I agree. But governments can do much more. And deserved to be blamed for not doing so.
 
lionking said:
Why are you so easy on governments? Germany closed coal and gas fired power plants. Why can’t the US? This would make a massive difference to carbon emissions.

Your broken record request is for each individual to reduce their personal footprint. Yeah, good. I agree. But governments can do much more. And deserved to be blamed for not doing so.
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Please tell me you didn't just compare the US to Germany

The US is about 10 x larger with things like deserts that have no viable renewable energy sources.
 
cullennz said:
Please tell me you didn't just compare the US to Germany

The US is about 10 x larger with things like deserts that have no viable renewable energy sources.
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I’m really trying to ignore you, but some posts are so ridiculous I can’t let them pass.

Yes I compared the US to Germany. They are both very large, sophisticated economies. Germany is without deserts. The US does. Which country do you think has greater capacity for solar power generation?

Greta knows the answer to this, but you clearly don’t.
 
lionking said:
I’m really trying to ignore you, but some posts are so ridiculous I can’t let them pass.

Yes I compared the US to Germany. They are both very large, sophisticated economies. Germany is without deserts. The US does. Which country do you think has greater capacity for solar power generation?

Greta knows the answer to this, but you clearly don’t.
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The US is nearly 4,000,000 miles in area with 327 million people, made up of several different climates and sun hours and a with heaps having an arid climate

Germany is 357,000 miles and 83 million people and has a fairly mellow climate
 
cullennz said:
The US is nearly 4,000,000 miles in area with 327 million people, made up of several different climates and sun hours and a with heaps having an arid climate

Germany is 357,000 miles and 83 million people and has a fairly mellow climate
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And? Which country has the greater capacity for solar power but continues to use coal?

Just back out of this thread slowly and quietly.
 
Stout said:
Of course they'll forget it and make the same choices "we" did. We had all the science yet look what's happened because we all said to ourselves. Climate Change ? That's something for my government to worry about and I want my flights to Hawaii.

We had a local news article last week about a high school group who couldn't go on their cruise to Antarctica because the cruise line they were going to use went bust. The cruise line going bust was the only reason the story hit the news in the first place because parents were concerned about loosing the thousands of dollars they'd paid for their kids to go on that cruise.

I wonder how many of those kids went to see Thunberg's speech in Vancouver ?

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This post and the defences of it seem to be a demonstration of the fact that you're proud of the fact that ocean liners are huge climate polluters and Antarctica is at risk from tourism.

That's good you know that. :thumbsup:

Sure, the kids (activists or not) would probably roll their eyes and say, "OK, boomer" to you.

But I understand the position you're in, and the societal myths about tensions between generations and the real things that are said to hurt us.


Stout said:
Oh yes, carbon offsets. Even Greta Thunberg knows those ae feeble and ineffective otherwise she'd be flying and using those rather than refusing to fly.

Emulate your heroes people, don't simply buy your way to salvation.
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theprestige said:
Maybe Greta should start a GoFundMe to raise money to pay for her carbon offsets, so that she can fly around the world carrying her important message. Surely 16 years old isn't too young to start reasoning through these kinds of problems.
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Inequality is when you are left to clean up the mess at the party for US$15 an hour.

I suddenly think of the local group of indigenous Australian corporations who are allowing a new highly-protested coal mine to have a lease on their otherwise unproductive native lands.

The leasing system was created to give indigenous Australians some compensation for being displaced by the British colonialists.

Are GenZ and the dispossessed supposed to live in cardboard boxes and be malnutritioned so as not to take anything from those who live in prosperity?

Are we all "guilty of the sins of our fathers"?

If people expect Thunberg to walk on water, are they also going to do the same?


cullennz said:
She should be in school in some capacity though
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What school could teach her the enormous things she is learning and in turn, is teaching us?

I say that as a lifelong artist and student of art.

Call it a performance if you like, a publicity stunt, or a religious pilgrimage.

I call it art.

There hasn't been anything like this before.

Robert Hughes wrote an influential book about the history of art - The Shock of the New. This is shocking, and new.

I don't mean Thunberg on her own.

I mean all the Fridays For Future protesters who don't get the media attention she gets but who Thunberg is connected to, and who we can see are connected to our countries, our friends, and to us.

I was talking to a friend today who's just earned her BA in Teaching. We spoke about our favourite teachers, and how at 16 we were horrible, but we had teachers who actually encouraged us to see the faults in things and to think for ourselves. Those teachers were not afraid of admitting fault, because that's not the end of the world. That's how we learn new ways.

Do you have a better annual curriculum for her than this, when you and the rest of the world are trying to be her teacher and/or student?

Because it's literally the end of the world if we don't all learn new ways from what's happening.
 
cullennz said:
Given the logistics, probably Germany
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Fair dinkum. Do you understand nothing about solar power generation?

I give up. As one great philosopher (an ex AFL footballer) once said, don’t argue with idiots as they will drag you down to their own level and beat you on experience.
 
lionking said:
Fair dinkum. Do you understand nothing about solar power generation?

I give up. As one great philosopher (an ex AFL footballer) once said, don’t argue with idiots as they will drag you down to their own level and beat you on experience.
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Um yes

I'm guessing you don't
 
Orphia Nay said:
What school could teach her the enormous things she is learning and in turn, is teaching us?

I say that as a lifelong artist and student of art.

Call it a performance if you like, a publicity stunt, or a religious pilgrimage.

I call it art.

There hasn't been anything like this before.

Robert Hughes wrote an influential book about the history of art - The Shock of the New. This is shocking, and new.

I don't mean Thunberg on her own.

I mean all the Fridays For Future protesters who don't get the media attention she gets but who Thunberg is connected to, and who we can see are connected to our countries, our friends, and to us.

I was talking to a friend today who's just earned her BA in Teaching. We spoke about our favourite teachers, and how at 16 we were horrible, but we had teachers who actually encouraged us to see the faults in things and to think for ourselves. Those teachers were not afraid of admitting fault, because that's not the end of the world. That's how we learn new ways.

Do you have a better annual curriculum for her than this, when you and the rest of the world are trying to be her teacher and/or student?

Because it's literally the end of the world if we don't all learn new ways from what's happening.
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Actually not a bad point, but she will probably end up anti social and screwed up.
 
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